CPL X-Country Qualifier and proof of completion?

[Teroc]

Hi All,
Regarding the qualifier x-country 300 nm flight for your CPL.

I did an Orlando to New York flight in a cessna 172 as my qualifier. Took approx 9.5 hours each way with 2 full stops along the way for re-fuelling.....obviously I stayed overnight in New Jersey.
However I didnt and still dont have any piece of paper signed off by anyone. Ive heard people talking about this as proof you completed the flight. At the time no one mentioned that I might need it.
Do the CAA look for this when you submit your application for your CPL licence ? Has anyone else submitted their application forms without this elusive document ?

Thanks for any help.....
T.

[ronnie123]

Yes they will ask you for a letter, best way is to do this is, get a letter giving the flt details and A/C details, from the flt school and signed off by a CFI.

[Delta Wun-Wun]

What document is this then?????

[Teroc]

Delta,
As part of your cpl licence issue you must have completed a round solo trip flight of 300 nm or more with 2 full stops other than that of your home base.

I spoke to a number of people who told me that the CAA require a document signed by the CFI and stamped by the airport manager at each of the 2 other airports verifying the flight.

Ive since been informed by my CFI that a letter from the school outlining the details of the flight (dates, times, aircraft reg etc)and signed by the CFI will be sufficient.

Some people havent even been asked for this by the CAA whilst other have so its perhaps better to cover all bases..

[Crosswind Limits]

You are right Teroc, I wasn't asked for any documentary proof, but perhaps others have. In the circumstances it may be better to have it just in case.

[FlyingForFun]

I hope no documentary proof is required, other than a logbook entry, because I don't have any.

Oh well, when it comes to it, if they want proof, I'll just have to do another 300nm cross-country. It's a hard life! Although if you're on a budget, you certainly wouldn't want to have to repeat this unnecessarilly.

FFF
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[Send Clowns]

Never had to have any proof of mine. They take most of your log book on trust, seems reasonable to accept this too. Sounds a fun crosscountry, Teroc.

[kwaiyai]

Hi Teroc,
Speaking as an examiner I posted a reply a whila ago about a strong recommend on logbook signature just in case someone in the belgrano is having a bad day. However regarding the 300 mile XXC I havent heard of any problems in your case. Did mine in Asia.
In other words send in logbook in due course and all should be OK.
All the best.

[mad_jock]

My xc for the cpl wasn't signed off. All it was was log book entrys.
I added in the distance in the remarks and that was it.

No hassels with the caa.

Mj

[zerograv]

Is there a need for one of the legs be at least 150nm?
or is it 300nm, two stops away and one of the legs
at least 100nm

Cheers
Zerograv

[MackMeeter]

As far as I'm aware it's just a 300nm trip with two land-aways, you could double check though I suppose in the UkAIM or something like that.
Never had any hassle from the Kremlin when I submitted my logbook - like has already been said, must be taken on trust - kept my landing fee receipts and flight plan just in case though!!

[Teroc]

Thanks all
Sounds like if you can get proof go for it but if not maybe its not the massive barrier some people would have you believe.

Send Clowns..yeah the trip was fun but very tiring. You should have heard the weather briefer when I asked for a standard brief for a vfr flight in a Cessna 172 from New York to Orlando !!... priceless...

T

[Token Bird]

Teroc,

I have a nasty feeling that your cross-country may not be valid. Don't take my word for this (check with CAA) but I believe the CPL X-country must be a triangular route of 300nm with 2 full-stop landings, returning to the aerodrome of departure on the same day. If this is true then your x-country wouldn't qualify as you didn't return until the following day. It sounds silly but I think it's true,

TB

[miss magenta]

Teroc.

The CAA website says the following,

"a cross country flight of at least 540 km (300 nm) in the course of which full stop landings at two aerodromes different from the aerodrome of departure shall be made"

no mention of minimum leg distances and no mention of returning to your departure aerodrome. it is on page 6 or 7 of the requirements for issuing a CPL.
canīt find anything anywhere else about it,so N.Y. to Orlando should be O.K.

[Teroc]

Thanks all,
Token bird...cheers for the advice. Just in case the CAA get a bit ratty about the New York trip I have another trip down to the florida keys and back up again, with 2 full stops elsewhere and returning to my destination airport which totals some 499 miles ...

That should keep em quiet for a while

[Troy McClure]

Think the return to home base, all in daylight requirement was a CAA one, not included in JAR. I was told by various people that a trip from Mackay to Alice Springs (>1000 nm) didn't count because I didn't return same day, so did a trip E. Mids - Compton Abbas - Shoreham - E. Mids to make sure. I was also told I needed a 200nm night flight with one landaway, so popped down to Southend and back after work one evening. Can't find any mention of that in JAR-FCL either, and groundschool instructors that I've since asked have all confirmed that as far as they know that quoted by Teroc is the only requirement.

TMC