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Spiraldive, mate! Where do you get your light twins from then? 
It's been a long time since I saw one going out at 200 quid ... they were all around the 300 - 350 mark last time I looked
It's been a long time since I saw one going out at 200 quid ... they were all around the 300 - 350 mark last time I looked
It's not just Liverpool who're expanding - look at Brizzle International and Cardiff Wales as well! Definite expansion plans to accommodate more low-cost routes and operators and healthy growth already underway.
Until Cliff is built (sorry, lesser crested whatnots), rather than massive expansion at STN, priority should be given to improving regional airports.
Incidentally, Virgin are now recruiting again.......
Until Cliff is built (sorry, lesser crested whatnots), rather than massive expansion at STN, priority should be given to improving regional airports.
Incidentally, Virgin are now recruiting again.......
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shortage now !
The captain shortage is happening now , most of the UK airlines are short of first officers who have the flying experience and /or the aptitude to make captain.
This is a result of the short term thinking within the industry and I regret that I see it only getting worse ,but the job market is on the move and I see some of you getting jobs over the winter.
This is a result of the short term thinking within the industry and I regret that I see it only getting worse ,but the job market is on the move and I see some of you getting jobs over the winter.
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Luke
Unfortunatly you are tarred with the same brush as a large number of people who have gone before you , I have known quite a lot of people who got into the airlines by taking advantage of PPL students who did not know any better than to fly with them ( Mrs A and C was unfortunate to spend two hours and £250 with one sutch airline hopefull )
I know that there are a lot of instructors who want to get into the airlines who are doing a very good job of instructing but as always its the bad apples that get the attention.
Unfortunatly you are tarred with the same brush as a large number of people who have gone before you , I have known quite a lot of people who got into the airlines by taking advantage of PPL students who did not know any better than to fly with them ( Mrs A and C was unfortunate to spend two hours and £250 with one sutch airline hopefull )
I know that there are a lot of instructors who want to get into the airlines who are doing a very good job of instructing but as always its the bad apples that get the attention.
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Seeing as this is an international website, its worth pointing out that there is currently recruitment campaigns going on with 3 airlines in Spain. Iberia (requires full ATPL and type rating) Air Nostrum (500hrs/No Type Rating) Binter Air (500hr ATR type rating).
Although only one of those is likely to be open to most of the people on this forum, it shows that there are low time guys being taken on out there.
This demonstrates that the industry is picking up in Spain, because as with British Airways in the UK, Iberia will dictate the hiring trends of all the other airlines.
Things are looking up.
Although only one of those is likely to be open to most of the people on this forum, it shows that there are low time guys being taken on out there.
This demonstrates that the industry is picking up in Spain, because as with British Airways in the UK, Iberia will dictate the hiring trends of all the other airlines.
Things are looking up.
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Luke is right the last time there was a pilot shortage
was 1940 - Even then many were unsuitable for the
task ie not everybody who started made the grade
There are many at the bottom of the food chain. How many
of the 14,000 pilots with CAA ATPL fATPLs in the UK have multi crew ratings ?????
A lot of Instructors who taught me to fly during the (last)
gulf war are still GA only notwithstanding their considerable investment........
was 1940 - Even then many were unsuitable for the
task ie not everybody who started made the grade
There are many at the bottom of the food chain. How many
of the 14,000 pilots with CAA ATPL fATPLs in the UK have multi crew ratings ?????
A lot of Instructors who taught me to fly during the (last)
gulf war are still GA only notwithstanding their considerable investment........
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The trouble is................
The conclusions of my own research show that the trouble facing
low hour CPL/IR MCC pilots is made much worse right now by the lack of sensible 'starter' jobs available.........now what's that mean?
Well when I look at my friend’s careers that are now all skippers
they managed to get their first jobs with airlines flying small twins and sheds (short's SD330 / 360) etc...
Now look at say flybe / British Euro / Jersey European... you could at one time start flying for them in a Navajo or P68 flying the night mail then get on the Shed run and go on to 146s in a seamless progression from being a relatively low hour pilot, and this was not uncommon, even BA had the Shed!
Now look, the smallest type you can start on is more often than not a Dash8! And the insurance man / airlines want to see @1000
Hours TT before you get a look in!
There are some small operators like Air Wales and BAC with such small airliners but your chances are slim. So you see unless
Mr Noble's Farnborough. air-taxi 'kicks-off' we will have to see a change in attitude by the airlines et al. or growth in the 'small aircraft sector' or we will be just banging are heads against a brick wall!
low hour CPL/IR MCC pilots is made much worse right now by the lack of sensible 'starter' jobs available.........now what's that mean?
Well when I look at my friend’s careers that are now all skippers
they managed to get their first jobs with airlines flying small twins and sheds (short's SD330 / 360) etc...
Now look at say flybe / British Euro / Jersey European... you could at one time start flying for them in a Navajo or P68 flying the night mail then get on the Shed run and go on to 146s in a seamless progression from being a relatively low hour pilot, and this was not uncommon, even BA had the Shed!
Now look, the smallest type you can start on is more often than not a Dash8! And the insurance man / airlines want to see @1000
Hours TT before you get a look in!
There are some small operators like Air Wales and BAC with such small airliners but your chances are slim. So you see unless
Mr Noble's Farnborough. air-taxi 'kicks-off' we will have to see a change in attitude by the airlines et al. or growth in the 'small aircraft sector' or we will be just banging are heads against a brick wall!
I say there boy
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RVR - from where do you get that figure? There are fourteen thousand professional licence holders, that doesn't mean to say that they have all got IRs.
cheers!
foggy.
cheers!
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What happened to Nobletaxi? Seems to have gone very quiet. Perhaps he was waiting for the Eclipse 500?
Regional has got to have bags of expansion. The roads are becoming more and more impractical for serious travel. If someone sat down and worked it all out I am sure a pretty effective network could be worked out. A kind of British rail of the 50's in the air.
Seriously though, the only place that more pax are going to go is either on to more bigger airplanes (A3xx) or lots more little ones (eclipse et al) Someones has to fly them.
Now, I don't dispute the level of experience needed for command, but, maybe, as with so many other occupations, those with the requisite aptitude could be earmarked much earlier. RAF pilots have already been selected for leadership potential at OASC. Maybe, if the problem is as big as some might believe, the time has come to identify a/c commanders much earlier in the system?
Any thoughts?
Regional has got to have bags of expansion. The roads are becoming more and more impractical for serious travel. If someone sat down and worked it all out I am sure a pretty effective network could be worked out. A kind of British rail of the 50's in the air.
Seriously though, the only place that more pax are going to go is either on to more bigger airplanes (A3xx) or lots more little ones (eclipse et al) Someones has to fly them.
Now, I don't dispute the level of experience needed for command, but, maybe, as with so many other occupations, those with the requisite aptitude could be earmarked much earlier. RAF pilots have already been selected for leadership potential at OASC. Maybe, if the problem is as big as some might believe, the time has come to identify a/c commanders much earlier in the system?
Any thoughts?
Yes - that's because our 100LL is taxed outrageously! And if you knew how much we have to pay to land at some scruffy ex-WW2 bit of taxiway masquerading as a UK aerodrome......
Some things about the US are pretty unimpressive - cars and presidents spring to mind - but you have a MUCH healthier GA world than we do!
Some things about the US are pretty unimpressive - cars and presidents spring to mind - but you have a MUCH healthier GA world than we do!
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Interesting post, David.
But, at some stage further down the line, due to retirals, the airlines are still going to have to crew their aircraft, and there will be an ever-diminishing pool of 1000+hrs (or even 500+hrs) pilots to fly them. At that point, they'll have no option other than to hire low hour guys.
The question is- how far away is it until this situation arises?
But, at some stage further down the line, due to retirals, the airlines are still going to have to crew their aircraft, and there will be an ever-diminishing pool of 1000+hrs (or even 500+hrs) pilots to fly them. At that point, they'll have no option other than to hire low hour guys.
The question is- how far away is it until this situation arises?
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We now have three threads on basically the same topic - and people are now cutting and pasting between them, which is hardly economic use of our available bandwidth. Therefore I have merged the three threads and deleted the duplication.
Perhaps I'm shovelling sh*t uphill, but could you please check to see if an open thread could support your point before you post a new one? And, while I'm at it (in the hope that someone will take some notice
) would you all read the 'sticky' topic on What Is The Wannabes Forum For? before you post any new threads?
Thank you
Perhaps I'm shovelling sh*t uphill, but could you please check to see if an open thread could support your point before you post a new one? And, while I'm at it (in the hope that someone will take some notice
) would you all read the 'sticky' topic on What Is The Wannabes Forum For? before you post any new threads?Thank you
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A good indicator that things are picking up is that Virgin Atlantic is recruiting again. Interviews have already been held and the first courses are scheduled for next month. Although news not of much interest to the low hours guys, this will such up pilots from lower down the food chain and make low hours jobs available.
And if George the cowboy does get his way and invades I-raq, things will slow down. The scardey Americans won't fly and fuel will go up. But don't forget that the real agenda for the war is for George W to award all his Texan oil mates the contracts for Iraqi oil once the free world has won. This will lower the oil price significantly, more people will fly and things will improve rapidly - providing Moslems don't start blowing up airliners in revenge!
And if George the cowboy does get his way and invades I-raq, things will slow down. The scardey Americans won't fly and fuel will go up. But don't forget that the real agenda for the war is for George W to award all his Texan oil mates the contracts for Iraqi oil once the free world has won. This will lower the oil price significantly, more people will fly and things will improve rapidly - providing Moslems don't start blowing up airliners in revenge!
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Tosh McCaber;
Yes it's true by all accounts that airlines cut corners off their min
requirments when they need to. but only Messers Bush and Blair can tell you when thats gonna happen, if it dose 'Kick off' in the middle east I suspect you can add up to @18 months on to what ever situation exists at the time.
STANDTO;
I've just checked out the Farnboro. 'Air-Taxi' webby, and they are aiming for FAR certification @2006 but don't hold your breath even then, as most sales are expected to be N reg. (if any) and I don't think it'll have much impact over here till 2010 and I don't know about you but I'll be practically a hag by then!
Yes it's true by all accounts that airlines cut corners off their min
requirments when they need to. but only Messers Bush and Blair can tell you when thats gonna happen, if it dose 'Kick off' in the middle east I suspect you can add up to @18 months on to what ever situation exists at the time.
STANDTO;
I've just checked out the Farnboro. 'Air-Taxi' webby, and they are aiming for FAR certification @2006 but don't hold your breath even then, as most sales are expected to be N reg. (if any) and I don't think it'll have much impact over here till 2010 and I don't know about you but I'll be practically a hag by then!
Things are picking up. I have seen people I know get jobs on a piston twin, a turboprop and an Airbus in the last month.
Good news all round.
However, there is a heck of pool of people out there looking for work who have a variety of backgrounds. Its harder to get a job now than it was pre Sept11th that is for sure.
2 years yet before hiring returns to pre Sept11th rates in my very humble opinion.
Good luck,
WWW
Good news all round.
However, there is a heck of pool of people out there looking for work who have a variety of backgrounds. Its harder to get a job now than it was pre Sept11th that is for sure.
2 years yet before hiring returns to pre Sept11th rates in my very humble opinion.
Good luck,
WWW
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I know a couple of ex-Oxford 200hr guys who have got jobs with BACE since September 11th. Guess they did pretty well by the sound of it.
I don't see any reaon why a Dash 8 is not a 'sensible type' for an ex-Oxford cadet. Many sponsored guys go onto 737 / 757 / Airbus which is another step up still. I think a turboprop (J41 / ATP etc) is well within reach of good calibre cadets.
I don't see any reaon why a Dash 8 is not a 'sensible type' for an ex-Oxford cadet. Many sponsored guys go onto 737 / 757 / Airbus which is another step up still. I think a turboprop (J41 / ATP etc) is well within reach of good calibre cadets.