Skyborne training Atpl easyJet cadets

[Futurepilot 3535]

Announced today. EasyJet training 500 pilots with skyborne . Much more expensive than the mpl course though . Will there actually be any jobs for Cadets that aren’t on airline supervised training schemes in 2yrs?

[ETOPS]

As it states that these courses are self funded - the cadet pays about £100,000 - that equates to a £50,000,000 crew training discount for EasyJet.

[abiding oak]

Originally Posted by Futurepilot 3535

Announced today. EasyJet training 500 pilots with skyborne . Much more expensive than the mpl course though . Will there actually be any jobs for Cadets that aren’t on airline supervised training schemes in 2yrs?

This is significant news. Despite the cost of training sitting with the cadet, the easyJet connection means Skyborne will have no problem filling places with students who haven't been able to get onto fully funded schemes like BA Speedbird Academy and Jet2 FlightPath. The questions are: will the airlines reduce numbers on these courses if or when recruitment slows, and - to your point - what are the residual employment opportunities for self-funded integrated or modular trainees outside airline supervision, particularly those with UK-CAA-only licences?

[Futurepilot 3535]

The course is 130k. I suspect this will be a barrier to some and the fact the mpl is 90k. The Ryan air course has only run one intake I believe in all the time it’s been running

[IronCA]

Originally Posted by ETOPS

As it states that these courses are self funded - the cadet pays about £100,000 - that equates to a £50,000,000 crew training discount for EasyJet.

well cadet schemes usually recover a large portion of the training fees from reduced wages.

[Futurepilot 3535]

This is a self funded course

[planesandthings]

Discussion that LE had also been interested in this contract. One or two clearly disappointed whitetail LE cadets at PCL London today after the announcements .

Whitetail cadets face an uncertain future unless they fancy becoming instructors.

[zambonidriver]

Originally Posted by Futurepilot 3535

The course is 130k.

Wow 130k. Is that the running rate nowadays?

If successful do you get an assurance of employment?


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[planesandthings]

Originally Posted by zambonidriver

Wow 130k. Is that the running rate nowadays?

If successful do you get an assurance of employment?


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Yes if you want it including the type rating.

Assurance of employment is possible as long as there's no economic downturn in aviation I'm sure. Just ask those who were on the EZY MPL finishing during COVID.... the contracts are written to ensure there's a get out for the airline.

[goaroundflap]

No airline will guarantee a placement as there is too much exposure. It's a lot to stump up initially however market demand is good and other airlines would be very happy to have qualified low hour pilots. I wouldn't be surprised if the guise of this scheme changes over the next year or so to become a sponsored scheme that bonds the trainees.

[Chris the Robot]

A good reason for an airline to run a sponsored cadet programme is to effectively defer profit to reduce tax. If an airline is very profitable this year, the money can be re-invested in pilot training with the costs written off against tax, the money saved in reduced salaries will help the bottom line a bit in future years when those pilots qualify.

Easyjet weren't running large-scale fully-funded programmes when they were making large profits, this year it looks like the airline will make a rather hefty loss, so I don't see them sponsoring the programme anytime soon. If the calibre of candidates is so poor that they can't fill the course (admittedly unlikely), I wouldn't be surprised if they opened up recruitment to modular folks paying £20k for a type rating.

[TBird8]

Originally Posted by planesandthings

Yes if you want it including the type rating.

Assurance of employment is possible as long as there's no economic downturn in aviation I'm sure. Just ask those who were on the EZY MPL finishing during COVID.... the contracts are written to ensure there's a get out for the airline.

IIRC those who continued the course all got jobs with EZY.

[AirbusBarkingDog]

This is the same as the Generation easyJet MPL? I thought that the Strait of Hormuz problem would cause many issue in the aviation industry but perhaps not!

[planesandthings]

Originally Posted by AirbusBarkingDog

This is the same as the Generation easyJet MPL? I thought that the Strait of Hormuz problem would cause many issue in the aviation industry but perhaps not!

Not long term. But some redundancies are happening in the sector in the short term. The airlines always have a get out clause if they can't take on pilots when they complete. Covid proved that.

[AirbusBarkingDog]

Where are the redundancies? I have not seen in news this problem?

I notice that TUI and Aer Lingus do not have cadet schemes for 2026 but I think this is before the Strait of Hormuz problem.

[Chris the Robot]

Originally Posted by AirbusBarkingDog

Where are the redundancies? I have not seen in news this problem?

I notice that TUI and Aer Lingus do not have cadet schemes for 2026 but I think this is before the Strait of Hormuz problem.

Blue Islands and Eastern Airways are two recent examples, according the the Rumours & News section one or two of the ACMI operators are in a spot of bother too.

[GSTAR LOCSTAR]

Originally Posted by Chris the Robot

If the calibre of candidates is so poor that they can't fill the course (admittedly unlikely), I wouldn't be surprised if they opened up recruitment to modular folks paying £20k for a type rating.

You mean let dirty Modular folk fly shiny orange jets? Thats absurd.

EZY would do well if they opened a BA-SSP style recruitment program where qualified pilots (regardless of ATO) present themselves post training for an interview and if successful may receive a bonded/ partially sponsored TR. Rather than be stuck in 2014 and crawling into bed with the sausage factories hoping to milk every penny out of their future employees.

[abiding oak]

Originally Posted by Chris the Robot

Blue Islands and Eastern Airways are two recent examples, according the the Rumours & News section one or two of the ACMI operators are in a spot of bother too.

and Ascend Airways just ceased operations today.

[planesandthings]

Originally Posted by abiding oak

and Ascend Airways just ceased operations today.

Indeed. And it's discussed Loganair have delayed anyone due to start in Q2 and some are being sent back to the hold pool.

It's going to be a rough year for anyone looking for jobs. Long term probably not so bad.

[GenZBoomer]

Originally Posted by Futurepilot 3535

The course is 130k. I suspect this will be a barrier to some and the fact the mpl is 90k. The Ryan air course has only run one intake I believe in all the time it’s been running

Do you have any more info on the Ryanair course at Skyborne? There does seem to be a very long delay and an apparent lack of communication with this course......