Good non-ATO ATPL learning material?

[be4257]

Hi all,

I have completed all of my PPL examinations, though unfortunately doubt I will complete my actual license before the end of the year due to weather.

With the aim being to tackle the ATPL's once my license is in the bag, I want to use my time now efficiently and try and get ahead of the game with regards to the shear volume of information you need to download during the ATPL learning to hopefully lighten the load when that starts.

As ATO's require your license as a pre-requisite to access the learning material mewning they're not an option currently, is anyone aware of decent websites/material I could start studying from now?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

[PPOssaurius]

I noticed that most CAE Oxford books (at least 12 out of the 15) are out there in the wild web.
These are the books my school provide the students with, and are quite complete - sometimes a bit too much, but I've studied with them.

To be honest, the most important thing you will really need for the exams will be ATPL Questions DB...

[rudestuff]

It's a terrible thing to say but do not waste your time reading any ATPL books - sign up for a question bank or two and get the most relevant information via repetition. You will always have time to read the books later.

[paco]

Try this - EASA Professional Pilot Studies

[be4257]

Thanks for your suggestions all.

Had thought about the QB answer myself, but want to give myself at least some foundational understanding of the knowledge/concepts that I'll be required to know. Will probably do a mixture of both to be honest. With the benefit of time, I don't see the downsides to getting my head into the books for a bit.

[rudestuff]

Originally Posted by be4257

Had thought about the QB answer myself, but want to give myself at least some foundational understanding of the knowledge/concepts that I'll be required to know.

That will be a mistake. You have to learn it before you can understand it. Under EASA learning is mandatory, understanding seems to be optional. It's a sad state of affairs but the sheer volume of nonsense means you need to take every shortcut available.

If you only use the QB you will pass. If you only read the books you will fail. It's a game, learn how to play it and life will be much easier. You will forget almost all of it by the time you are sat in an airliner anyway.

[MiggHD]

buy a ATPLQ 9 month subscription and start hammering the question banks is my only advice

[be4257]

Surely with subjects like nav, mass & balance, performance etc where I need to know the formulas, calculations, flight plotting/planning I need to have done some of foundational learning for that?

[MiggHD]

Originally Posted by be4257

Surely with subjects like nav, mass & balance, performance etc where I need to know the formulas, calculations, flight plotting/planning I need to have done some of foundational learning for that?

youtube, specifically ATPLclass is an awesome channel, along with ATPLQ, those 2 should set you right up

[paco]

You won't pass the licence exams without a database, but you won't get past the tech interview without knowledge.

[PPOssaurius]

Originally Posted by rudestuff

That will be a mistake. You have to learn it before you can understand it. Under EASA learning is mandatory, understanding seems to be optional. It's a sad state of affairs but the sheer volume of nonsense means you need to take every shortcut available.

True story.
Unhappily I'm learning this myself as I go...
It's a pity as I really like these subjects, but I'm just required to respond as EASA seems fit... and I'm don't have time to learn properly which I find frustrating

[PFD]

New CAE books

I have access to the 2020 syllabus CAE books, and I’ve found gaping holes in their material. To the extent that the old books covered the material needed and the LOs more accurately.

[18greens]

AP3456 is freely available on line. It’s not a question bank but it forms good background material.

[paco]

The above mentioned book covers everything and is bang up to date

[Specaircrew]

QUOTE=PFD;11980549]I have access to the 2020 syllabus CAE books, and I’ve found gaping holes in their material. To the extent that the old books covered the material needed and the LOs more accurately.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, looks like they’ve been cut and pasted by someone with no technical knowledge of the subjects! Shame really because the previous editions were quite good.

[paco]

Padpilot suffers from that too

[Uplinker]

Originally Posted by be4257

Surely with subjects like nav, mass & balance, performance etc where I need to know the formulas, calculations, flight plotting/planning I need to have done some of foundational learning for that?

Indeed. I've sent you a PM, that might interest you

[Uplinker]

Hello ? Did you get my pm ?

[B2N2]

Just a recommendation from personal experience, Navigation and Meteorology are an absolute grind to get through.
Start reading then read again…and again.
Repetition and osmosis.

Wax on, wax off…

[Fred.Kite]

Originally Posted by be4257

Hi all,

I have completed all of my PPL examinations, though unfortunately doubt I will complete my actual license before the end of the year due to weather.

With the aim being to tackle the ATPL's once my license is in the bag, I want to use my time now efficiently and try and get ahead of the game with regards to the shear volume of information you need to download during the ATPL learning to hopefully lighten the load when that starts.

As ATO's require your license as a pre-requisite to access the learning material mewning they're not an option currently, is anyone aware of decent websites/material I could start studying from now?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I am assuming you want to be an airline pilot. If you have not already considered it, think about getting an INITIAL Class 1 medical because without that your career is a non starter.
If you’re not capable of at least O level maths you may well struggle with the exams. Ideally your PPL skill test should have been passed to an above average candidate standard, discuss with your examiner. Not everyone makes it and it’s an expensive exercise for largely nothing if you do not, be keen but also be realistic.

Build up hours sensibly, loads of cross country flights only really improves straight and level flight. You need to spend at least two thirds of hour building flying the manoeuvres that you will come across on the CPL skill test and the IR. A fail in a flight test can be quite expensive and never looks good in a log book.
To pass the exams you need the question bank unfortunately. The difference between a pass and fail may only be one question.

When I started flying professionally you needed to be a pilot who was reasonably clever, today you need to be an academic who can fly an aircraft. The ability to acquire knowledge and skill quickly is the hallmark of a professional pilot especially one who doesn’t want to sit in the right hand seat till retirement! This career is more than just passing the initial exams, it’s about being a knowledgable responsible professional capable of managing change. Good luck!