Is dual CAA/EASA approved ATO required for night rating?
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Is dual CAA/EASA approved ATO required for night rating?
I am aiming to complete a dual CAA/EASA CPL & MEIR later this year, with night rating as pre-requisite and I currently have a CAA PPL. I'm struggling to confirm if I need an ATO which has CAA+EASA approval to ensure that the night rating is valid for the EASA CPL application, has anyone any experience of this?
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Can't find in the conversion regulations anything about converting a night rating, originally it was a derestriction not a separate rating, which maybe why it's not in the regulations. Would say then it doesn't matter if it's a dual rated school. However it would be best to ask the EASA authority you intend to send the CPL application.
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Thanks for the replies. I've sent an email to IAA to try and get confirmation but not expecting a quick response so thought I'd ask here. Will post here if I get a reply in case it helps any one else.
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This is what I got as a reply. To be honest by the end of it I still didn't know what the answer was... I suspect it means that they would accept a UK night rating (and have heard people doing that) but not really confident.Good evening
Your email below refers:
Whenever licences, ratings, approvals or certificates are mentioned in Part-FCL, these are meant to be valid licences, ratings, approvals or certificates issued in accordance with Part-FCL. In all other cases, these documents are specified. As it is not specified then you shall complete any training specified in the applicable course as defined in EU Part-FCL.
Please note: Dual or concurrent training courses and testing are not accepted by the authority. All training must be undertaken specifically for an EU Part-FCL license, as stipulated in FCL.005 and its associated AMCs and GMs. While an EU Part-FCL course may be recognised by third-country authorities, the IAA only accepts courses conducted in full compliance with and intended for EU Part-FCL licenses, ratings, approvals, or certificates.
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"Please note: Dual or concurrent training courses and testing are not accepted by the authority. All training must be undertaken specifically for an EU Part-FCL license, as stipulated in FCL.005 and its associated AMCs and GMs. While an EU Part-FCL course may be recognised by third-country authorities, the IAA only accepts courses conducted in full compliance with and intended for EU Part-FCL licenses, ratings, approvals, or certificates."
Whoever wrote this nonsense should go back to drama school. The IAA has no legal authority to curtail the recognition of training and testing by other sovereign authorities outside of the EASA system. Refusal to grant a licence/rating/certificate based on what another authority accepts would itself constitute a breach of EU law. There's no enabling provision for this in the Aircrew Regulation.
The rest of the IAA's email is unhelpful. Competent authorities have the power under art 3(b) of Regulation 2020/723 to credit third-country night rating holders, whose prior experience and knowledge is at least equivalent to that required for the Part-FCL NR, subject to a recommendation by an EASA ATO/DTO.
Whoever wrote this nonsense should go back to drama school. The IAA has no legal authority to curtail the recognition of training and testing by other sovereign authorities outside of the EASA system. Refusal to grant a licence/rating/certificate based on what another authority accepts would itself constitute a breach of EU law. There's no enabling provision for this in the Aircrew Regulation.
The rest of the IAA's email is unhelpful. Competent authorities have the power under art 3(b) of Regulation 2020/723 to credit third-country night rating holders, whose prior experience and knowledge is at least equivalent to that required for the Part-FCL NR, subject to a recommendation by an EASA ATO/DTO.
