Doing dual licence modular. UK Citizen.
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Doing dual licence modular. UK Citizen.
I have recently started my PPL at a local airfield that will do me all the way up to IMC/R which also has great availability for hour building and have myself an airfield to do up to MEIR within the hour so I just need to find somewhere I can do my CPL.
I was born in the UK and my father is English but my mother is Polish. I have recently acquired Polish citizenship and would like to do my dual licence just to give me extra options but unsure in the process that needs to be done to get a fATPL in both.
I have so far done my dual CAA/EASA class 1 medical and will do distance learning for both my ATPL theory. It is after this that things get a bit confusing. Can I do all my CBIR and ME rating in the UK and just do a dual CPL at the end of it or do I need to do those in EASA as well? Also can anyone recommend places that do the dual CPL?
Regards Adam.
I was born in the UK and my father is English but my mother is Polish. I have recently acquired Polish citizenship and would like to do my dual licence just to give me extra options but unsure in the process that needs to be done to get a fATPL in both.
I have so far done my dual CAA/EASA class 1 medical and will do distance learning for both my ATPL theory. It is after this that things get a bit confusing. Can I do all my CBIR and ME rating in the UK and just do a dual CPL at the end of it or do I need to do those in EASA as well? Also can anyone recommend places that do the dual CPL?
Regards Adam.
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I'd suggest you keep your options open and get both if you can afford it. You'll need another medical. There are plenty of places that offer dual ratings. If you're going to do IMC, CBIR, MEIR in that order, you don't actually need the MEIR in both. An SEIR is enough to freeze the exams (with a CPL obviously)
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I'd suggest you keep your options open and get both if you can afford it. You'll need another medical. There are plenty of places that offer dual ratings. If you're going to do IMC, CBIR, MEIR in that order, you don't actually need the MEIR in both. An SEIR is enough to freeze the exams (with a CPL obviously)
I know I will be doing IR(R) followed by CBIR(SE) followed by ME conversion so I take it all I will need to do is a EASA SEIR and CPL test to freeze both?
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That is what I am planning to do. I am learning to fly in the UK. I am just confused on what I need to do with regards to making my CAA fATPL licence into a dual one. I have my CAA medical and EASA medical already done. I have also found the course I will do to get both CAA and EASA theory it is just I am confused as to what I need to do to get my dual licence when I start my instrument ratings.
I know I will be doing IR(R) followed by CBIR(SE) followed by ME conversion so I take it all I will need to do is a EASA SEIR and CPL test to freeze both?
I know I will be doing IR(R) followed by CBIR(SE) followed by ME conversion so I take it all I will need to do is a EASA SEIR and CPL test to freeze both?
Then once you have your PPL, you can start the ATPL exams.
Of course you’ll need to do each one twice, once with UK CAA and one with EASA (Austro Control).
Here’s what I’ve been told about the dual flying bit:
When you come to do your MEIR and CPL, it’s a case of train once (with a dual authorised ATO) then take two skill tests, one for each authority. Because the air works differently on the other side of the channel, at least it evidently has since 11pm on the 31st of December 2020, your EASA tests have to be taken in EU airspace. So on the day you’ll do your UK test, then do a ferry flight to the EU and repeat the test.
One thing to note is that if you don’t get a dual EASA PPL to start with, then your only EASA licence will be your CPL.
That means you can do your EASA MEIR ratings before CPL, but since they’re ratings you won’t actually have a licence to apply them to until you get your EASA CPL.
You can apply for both IR and CPL at the same time, but note you’ll only have six months from passing your IR skills test to applying for your CPL. So make sure you’ve got the time to get your hours and CPL training in.
That of course is irrelevant if you do the CPL first (but you need more hours before you can start the CPL).
Also note there aren’t many dual approved ATOs and they have waiting lists, some up to 12 months. So it’s worth getting your name down as soon as you have a PPL.
Fun, isn’t it?
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Get a dual Class 1 medical before you do anything.
Then once you have your PPL, you can start the ATPL exams.
Of course you’ll need to do each one twice, once with UK CAA and one with EASA (Austro Control).
Here’s what I’ve been told about the dual flying bit:
When you come to do your MEIR and CPL, it’s a case of train once (with a dual authorised ATO) then take two skill tests, one for each authority. Because the air works differently on the other side of the channel, at least it evidently has since 11pm on the 31st of December 2020, your EASA tests have to be taken in EU airspace. So on the day you’ll do your UK test, then do a ferry flight to the EU and repeat the test.
One thing to note is that if you don’t get a dual EASA PPL to start with, then your only EASA licence will be your CPL.
That means you can do your EASA MEIR ratings before CPL, but since they’re ratings you won’t actually have a licence to apply them to until you get your EASA CPL.
You can apply for both IR and CPL at the same time, but note you’ll only have six months from passing your IR skills test to applying for your CPL. So make sure you’ve got the time to get your hours and CPL training in.
That of course is irrelevant if you do the CPL first (but you need more hours before you can start the CPL).
Also note there aren’t many dual approved ATOs and they have waiting lists, some up to 12 months. So it’s worth getting your name down as soon as you have a PPL.
Fun, isn’t it?
Then once you have your PPL, you can start the ATPL exams.
Of course you’ll need to do each one twice, once with UK CAA and one with EASA (Austro Control).
Here’s what I’ve been told about the dual flying bit:
When you come to do your MEIR and CPL, it’s a case of train once (with a dual authorised ATO) then take two skill tests, one for each authority. Because the air works differently on the other side of the channel, at least it evidently has since 11pm on the 31st of December 2020, your EASA tests have to be taken in EU airspace. So on the day you’ll do your UK test, then do a ferry flight to the EU and repeat the test.
One thing to note is that if you don’t get a dual EASA PPL to start with, then your only EASA licence will be your CPL.
That means you can do your EASA MEIR ratings before CPL, but since they’re ratings you won’t actually have a licence to apply them to until you get your EASA CPL.
You can apply for both IR and CPL at the same time, but note you’ll only have six months from passing your IR skills test to applying for your CPL. So make sure you’ve got the time to get your hours and CPL training in.
That of course is irrelevant if you do the CPL first (but you need more hours before you can start the CPL).
Also note there aren’t many dual approved ATOs and they have waiting lists, some up to 12 months. So it’s worth getting your name down as soon as you have a PPL.
Fun, isn’t it?
My PPL will be UK only so it is good to know I have to be quick doing my CPL straight after my MEIR.
Also great tip with regards to booking in early. Stapleford flight centre seems to offer this so will take a trip down there once I have my PPL and hopefully get a booking in for a years time.
