Professional Pilot USA vs EU
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I am a German citizen with the ability to get a greencard due to my family. I am still a minor and at the last month of highschool. Now, I have passed the first exam of the European Flight Academy for Lufthansa. However, if I am not accepted I am thinking about moving to the US. I know there are a lot of differences and a lot is based on "personal preference". I know that here in Europe I can be in a shiny A320 within 3 years with less than 500 hours. But this is not what I really beg for. If I chose to go to the US, I'd have to blast my ass of getting 1500 hours to be eligeble for a regional carrier. And how are the chances of being accepted? My idea was to (if nothing works out here in Europe) enroll into University, do a degree in Aviation or something like that (I am still not very sure what exactly I need because it is so different than here). So if I invested all that money into 4 years of university and the health insurance, do you think getting into a cockpit would be easy? Is it ultimately more rewarding than in the EU? And do I actually need to go to university or can I just choose any flight school, get my PPL etc etc. til I get all the clearances and 1,500 hours for a regional job? Maybe there is someone here who can tell me a bit about all this. Note that my first priority is still the Lufthansa School, but if that doesn't work out, you know what I want. USA vs EU? What would you say?
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Michael
I am a German citizen with the ability to get a greencard due to my family. I am still a minor and at the last month of highschool. Now, I have passed the first exam of the European Flight Academy for Lufthansa. However, if I am not accepted I am thinking about moving to the US. I know there are a lot of differences and a lot is based on "personal preference". I know that here in Europe I can be in a shiny A320 within 3 years with less than 500 hours. But this is not what I really beg for. If I chose to go to the US, I'd have to blast my ass of getting 1500 hours to be eligeble for a regional carrier. And how are the chances of being accepted? My idea was to (if nothing works out here in Europe) enroll into University, do a degree in Aviation or something like that (I am still not very sure what exactly I need because it is so different than here). So if I invested all that money into 4 years of university and the health insurance, do you think getting into a cockpit would be easy? Is it ultimately more rewarding than in the EU? And do I actually need to go to university or can I just choose any flight school, get my PPL etc etc. til I get all the clearances and 1,500 hours for a regional job? Maybe there is someone here who can tell me a bit about all this. Note that my first priority is still the Lufthansa School, but if that doesn't work out, you know what I want. USA vs EU? What would you say?
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No contest. The US is the biggest aviation market in the world. It'll cost you a quarter of what you might spend in Europe and your chances of getting an airline job are 99% vs maybe 20% in Europe. Its the best place to start a career, you can always come back to Europe with experience (If you really want to take the pay cut!)
I am still a minor and at the last month of highschool. Now, I have passed the first exam of the European Flight Academy for Lufthansa. However, if I am not accepted I am thinking about moving to the US. I know that here in Europe I can be in a shiny A320 within 3 years with less than 500 hours. But this is not what I really beg for.
I applaud your researching a Plan B in case your Plan A with Lufthansa doesn't work out. I have a question about your quoted section above: Do you mean that flying for an airline isn't really what you're interested in ? Or just flying in Europe ?
M,
Generally the level of education in the United States is not as high as it is in Europe.
US airlines will gladly accept European degrees.
May I suggest you look into modulair training?
This means you don’t do everything at once but in steps.
Come to the US for a month and do your Private pilot license. Maybe the next year your Instrument rating and the next year your Commercial and Flight Instructor Ratings?
That would take you into your early 20’s and ready for entry level jobs while completing higher education in Germany.
Generally the level of education in the United States is not as high as it is in Europe.
US airlines will gladly accept European degrees.
May I suggest you look into modulair training?
This means you don’t do everything at once but in steps.
Come to the US for a month and do your Private pilot license. Maybe the next year your Instrument rating and the next year your Commercial and Flight Instructor Ratings?
That would take you into your early 20’s and ready for entry level jobs while completing higher education in Germany.
If you attend a US University with a 141 school, you can gain a Restricted ATP with 1000 hours.
This in itself gets you on to the pay accelerator much earlier. Some airlines will only recruit from one of only 11 flight schools. These schools have good alumni connections and regular recruiting visits.
Go with US for prosperity - LH if you want a European quality of life.
Good luck.
This in itself gets you on to the pay accelerator much earlier. Some airlines will only recruit from one of only 11 flight schools. These schools have good alumni connections and regular recruiting visits.
Go with US for prosperity - LH if you want a European quality of life.
Good luck.
If you attend a US University with a 141 school, you can gain a Restricted ATP with 1000 hours.
Some airlines will only recruit from one of only 11 flight schools.
They may have flow agreements or ‘garanteed’ interviews with certify schools that use it for their marketing but they certainly don’t limit their hiring.
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If you attend a US University with a 141 school, you can gain a Restricted ATP with 1000 hours.
This in itself gets you on to the pay accelerator much earlier. Some airlines will only recruit from one of only 11 flight schools. These schools have good alumni connections and regular recruiting visits.
Go with US for prosperity - LH if you want a European quality of life.
Good luck.
This in itself gets you on to the pay accelerator much earlier. Some airlines will only recruit from one of only 11 flight schools. These schools have good alumni connections and regular recruiting visits.
Go with US for prosperity - LH if you want a European quality of life.
Good luck.
How much is 6-12 months seniority worth?
The R-ATP rule only benefitted a handful of large training ‘universities’ and as such they are very, very expensive with generally just a mediocre degree.
That is not entirely truthful.
They may have flow agreements or ‘garanteed’ interviews with certify schools that use it for their marketing but they certainly don’t limit their hiring.
That is not entirely truthful.
They may have flow agreements or ‘garanteed’ interviews with certify schools that use it for their marketing but they certainly don’t limit their hiring.
Entirely truthful - but maybe incomplete, for brevity. I was referring to employment with an R-ATP, which would make you eligible for the Regionals (and possibly guaranteed flow after).
61.160(b) [1000-hour R-ATP] is available for all Universities with a 141 program. Many flying schools are linking with established (non-flight) Universities to take advantage of this. Only AABI Universities are accepted by some airlines for this path.
United
JetBlue
This is not intended as a recommendation for either of these airlines, or any of these schools (and I’m affiliated with one) - just outlining options that many are not aware of.
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Or they could train part 61, build 1500+ hours and take the (R)ATP check at age 21 under the terms of part 61.160(f). Personally I'd forget the degree, save the money and get the job a year earlier.
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No contest. The US is the biggest aviation market in the world. It'll cost you a quarter of what you might spend in Europe and your chances of getting an airline job are 99% vs maybe 20% in Europe. Its the best place to start a career, you can always come back to Europe with experience (If you really want to take the pay cut!)
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My dream: Airline Pilot. Where: Rather US due to family and I am kind of getting sick of the strict EU mentality and way of life that everything needs to be like that or that.
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Interesting,
I wasnt thinking about higher education in Germany. I was thinking of the Western Michigan University (Aviation College) or even the United Aviate. Modular seems interesting though. But I thought I could move to the US and do everything at once. What do you think about integrated University Aviation focus ? Chances are higher getting faster into an airliner aint I right?
I wasnt thinking about higher education in Germany. I was thinking of the Western Michigan University (Aviation College) or even the United Aviate. Modular seems interesting though. But I thought I could move to the US and do everything at once. What do you think about integrated University Aviation focus ? Chances are higher getting faster into an airliner aint I right?
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M,
Generally the level of education in the United States is not as high as it is in Europe.
US airlines will gladly accept European degrees.
May I suggest you look into modulair training?
This means you don’t do everything at once but in steps.
Come to the US for a month and do your Private pilot license. Maybe the next year your Instrument rating and the next year your Commercial and Flight Instructor Ratings?
That would take you into your early 20’s and ready for entry level jobs while completing higher education in Germany.
Generally the level of education in the United States is not as high as it is in Europe.
US airlines will gladly accept European degrees.
May I suggest you look into modulair training?
This means you don’t do everything at once but in steps.
Come to the US for a month and do your Private pilot license. Maybe the next year your Instrument rating and the next year your Commercial and Flight Instructor Ratings?
That would take you into your early 20’s and ready for entry level jobs while completing higher education in Germany.
I have had some trouble with the restrictions of this forum, so sorry if anything is duplicated. To avoid these problems I am multiquoting now.
To bafanguy, I want to become an airline pilot, but probably not in Europe. I am kind of sick of the "This must be like that only" mentality of the Europeans. So close-minded.
To B2N2, well to be fair I like to do stuff straight to the point. If I decided for US, I won't be staying here for a while, especially not for University in GER. Besides, I was thinking of going to the Western Michigan Aviation College for a degree. I heard a lot of major carriers like AA rather take graduates. That was actually my second question. Does anyone know anything more specific?
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If you attend a US University with a 141 school, you can gain a Restricted ATP with 1000 hours.
This in itself gets you on to the pay accelerator much earlier. Some airlines will only recruit from one of only 11 flight schools. These schools have good alumni connections and regular recruiting visits.
Go with US for prosperity - LH if you want a European quality of life.
Good luck.
This in itself gets you on to the pay accelerator much earlier. Some airlines will only recruit from one of only 11 flight schools. These schools have good alumni connections and regular recruiting visits.
Go with US for prosperity - LH if you want a European quality of life.
Good luck.
The R-ATP rule only benefitted a handful of large training ‘universities’ and as such they are very, very expensive with generally just a mediocre degree.
That is not entirely truthful.
They may have flow agreements or ‘garanteed’ interviews with certify schools that use it for their marketing but they certainly don’t limit their hiring.
That is not entirely truthful.
They may have flow agreements or ‘garanteed’ interviews with certify schools that use it for their marketing but they certainly don’t limit their hiring.
Thanks for your support lads, appreciate it a lot! And sorry that I am too dumb to figure out this forum post restrictions haha.
