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Failing my IR in a CPL-H integrated course

Old 29th Jan 2021, 11:13
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Failing my IR in a CPL-H integrated course

Hello everyone

Ok so a bit of a strange question but i haven't been able to found the answer in the PART FCL and no one really knows the answer so I thought I'd give it a shot here...

I'm currently in CPL ( H ) - IR integrated course. I have successfully passed my CPL ( H ) VFR test and am now in IR flight training.

I am a military student pilot in the air force and this integrated course is being payed by them ! So if I fail any of the tests I will be kicked out...

My question is the following : If I fail my IR test and am kicked out of the integrated course ( that means I never actually completed the ENTIRE course ) will I still keep my CPL ( H ) VFR license ?

Or do I have to complete the ENTIRE CPL(H)-IR course to keep my CPL(H) and my IR ?

Sorry for my english, i'm not native and thank you for taking the time to answer
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 15:58
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If it is an integrated course, it depends on the structure, but to answer your main question, the IR is a rating, not a licence, so I don't see it being a problem. You would need to check your school's training manual.
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 16:37
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So if you fail any test you're out? And they write off all that training and start again with someone else from scratch?!

What they can't take away from you is your flight time - worst case scenario the FAA would certainly count most of it towards and FAA certificate, and you could convert that back to EASA - you've already done the exams I'm guessing...
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 17:41
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I am very surprised that your ATO canít tell you the answer and have no experience of (H) but in an integrated (A) environment you should get nothing until the entire course is completed and all tests passed.

I would very much doubt they will kick you off the course if you did fail - what would happen if you had a partial pass? But if that were the case than you may be able to convince your service to fund any remedial training and a second test or pay for it yourself to complete it.

Your ATO will probably not put you up for test until there is a strong probability of you passing anyway so hopefully youíre worrying about nothing.
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 18:33
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A good point - your flight test is actually a test of your school....
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 18:58
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You keep the cpl. I am sure you won’t fail the IR! Stay positive and mentally rehearse the IR routes. Prepare the charts beforehand. Think ahead. Stay relaxed. Get a good nights sleep before the test. Stay off the beer until you have passed! Bonne chance.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 07:05
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You've done the hard bit - all that looking out the window trying to figure out where you are . The IR is the easy bit!
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 17:02
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Thank you everyone for your replies ! It was just a question, you always have to be a step ahead '' just in case " haha

A lot of you have different answers, some say i'll keep, some say i won't...
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Old 16th Feb 2021, 20:45
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I think the more important question you should be asking is, what is the school's procedure if a student fails a test.

Any (legitimate/reputable) training organisation which is providing a professional aviation course shouldn't just kick you out if you fail a test.

Generally, if you struggle with part of the TRAINING (for the Instrument Rating in your case), there should be some remedial (ground school and flying) to bring you up to speed before proceeding.

If you fail on a TEST, the same should apply...some additional ground training to address the deficiencies, one or more remedial flights (also to address the skills/proficiencies you failed on in the first test) and then a retest.

So, first thing...study your butt off and pass it on the first go. If you don't do so well, the school (if it is reputable) should provide you with necessary remedial and additional training to get you across the line. If the military is putting you through this course, they should be very unhappy with a training provider that threatens you with getting "kicked out" at the first sign of trouble.

Best of luck.
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