Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Wannabes Forums > Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies)
Reload this Page >

What will UK CAA regs look like post Brexit?

Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies) A forum for those on the steep path to that coveted professional licence. Whether studying for the written exams, training for the flight tests or building experience here's where you can hang out.

What will UK CAA regs look like post Brexit?

Old 25th Jan 2021, 11:20
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: London
Posts: 611
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Central Scrutinizer - have you qualified post Jan 1st 2021? If not, did you consider the change of State of Licence issue process which could have provided an EASA Part-FCL licence with the opportunity to apply for a UK equivalent later this year?
Reverserbucket is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 11:26
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Europe
Age: 32
Posts: 138
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have an IR and I'm still to finish my CPL (thanks to lockdowns). However, my ATO is EASA approved so I could theoretically apply for an EASA CPL/IR if an EASA Member State were to honour my APTL Theory and ME-IR done while the UK was still in EASA.

If your question is why I didn't SOLI Transfer last year, it's because I was about to finish the course and skill test in October. My plan was to finish and then transfer. I couldn't finish in time due to several weather delays, my skills test got cancelled 8 times due to weather! It's been a nightmare.
Central Scrutinizer is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 13:16
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: London
Posts: 611
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Understood. Your TK credits should be valid for an EASA Part-FCL licence issue assuming they were completed prior to Dec 31st. As an EASA and a UK ATO, your training provider should give you the choice, surely?
Reverserbucket is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 15:04
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 352
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Central Scrutinizer, a bit more woe to add to your current situation comes in the form of your IR flight test, if you're looking to gain an EASA IR rather than a UK IR. According to EASA regulation ORA.DTO.150, ‘Training in third countries’, IR training requires “acclimatisation flying in one of the Member States before the IR skill test is taken” and that the IR skill test “shall be taken in one of the Member States”. As the UK is no longer an EU/EASA Member State you can't now, according to the regulation, do your flight test in UK airspace, even though the UK remains a signatory to the Standardised European Rules of the Air (SERA).

UK ATOs can apply for an exemption from whichever Member State now holds their EASA approval (or with EASA if they are registered direct with the agency), but as the regulation is classed as 'hard law', any flexibility on the rules may not be forthcoming and enacting changes to hard law is a drawn-out process. IAOPA are apparently going to ask that the regulation is changed to read "shall be taken in airspace that conforms to SERA", but even if this was accepted then it won't happen overnight. And, to be frank, why would EASA or its Member States want to change the regulation when it will effectively amount to a loss of business? As you alluded to earlier, such agreements do not happen quickly and are generally done for political rather than practical reasons.
jez d is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 15:25
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Europe
Age: 32
Posts: 138
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for the help. I already have the UK IR (skill test last March 2020), I'm exploring whether there is an EASA authority out there willing to recognise it
Central Scrutinizer is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 15:32
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 352
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Glad to hear it. Good luck in getting over the finishing line!
jez d is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 15:57
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: London
Posts: 611
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Alternatively, for a UK based EASA ATO, position to an EASA State from the UK and conduct IR acclimatisation and testing there to comply with ORA.ATO.150.
Reverserbucket is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 16:18
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Tomsk, Russia
Posts: 680
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
The rule in ORA.ATO.150 applies to IR training done at third-country training organisations approved by EASA. This does not apply to CBM IR applicants, who hold a Part-FCL PPL or CPL and a valid ICAO Annex 1-compliant IR, who may be credited in full towards the relevant training course, in accordance with point Aa.8 in appendix 6 to Part-FCL.

selfin is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 16:37
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Italy
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
My understanding is that obtaining a CB IR is by definition training as required and testing for an instrument rating (IR). As such, ORA.ATO.150 para (2) does still apply. This is what the ATO I work part-time for has been told by the its overseeing Authority.

But I’d very glad to be proven wrong!
BONES_ is offline  
Old 25th Jan 2021, 16:49
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Tomsk, Russia
Posts: 680
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
The possibility of being "credited in full" in point 8 of section Aa requires the applicant to have 50 hours under the IFR as PIC. There will be no course completion certificate in these circumstances making ORA.ATO.150 irrelevant.
selfin is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.