UK CAA lapsed ATPL exams
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Hi all,
I completed the ATPL(H) exams back in 2011, but after doing so did not complete the flying components for the issue of a licence. I hold an Australian ATPL(H), and have been flying under that licence since competing the EASA exams.
Obviously, I have now passed the 7 year validity for the exam credits. My question is, will I have to carry out another full ATPL course including the mandatory classroom time, or can I skip the classroom requirement and self-study for the resit exams?
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I completed the ATPL(H) exams back in 2011, but after doing so did not complete the flying components for the issue of a licence. I hold an Australian ATPL(H), and have been flying under that licence since competing the EASA exams.
Obviously, I have now passed the 7 year validity for the exam credits. My question is, will I have to carry out another full ATPL course including the mandatory classroom time, or can I skip the classroom requirement and self-study for the resit exams?
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The exams are only valid for 3 years for the issue of the licence - the 7 years is the cut-off for renewal if you have held a licence.
If you hold a ICAO ATPL and valid TR and meet the requirements for EASA ATPL you’re exempt the study but still have to write the exams. You will need ATO sign off for that.
500 MP time is a requirement.. for ATPL but not for CPL.
If you hold a ICAO ATPL and valid TR and meet the requirements for EASA ATPL you’re exempt the study but still have to write the exams. You will need ATO sign off for that.
500 MP time is a requirement.. for ATPL but not for CPL.
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Thanks for the replies.
The references I can find suggest that just having an ICAO ATPL is not enough to exempt from the formal training requirements. As far as I can tell I also need too satisfy the prerequisites for the EASA ATPL. This includes 350hrs flying multi-pilot in a multi-pilot type. I don't satisfy this requirement as the AW139 and other types that I have experience in are not multi-pilot types.
Can anyone provide a reference to confirm that simply holding an Australian ATPL will exempt me from the formal ground school requirement? If not, will the fact that I've previously successfully passed the exams exempt me from the ground school?
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The references I can find suggest that just having an ICAO ATPL is not enough to exempt from the formal training requirements. As far as I can tell I also need too satisfy the prerequisites for the EASA ATPL. This includes 350hrs flying multi-pilot in a multi-pilot type. I don't satisfy this requirement as the AW139 and other types that I have experience in are not multi-pilot types.
Can anyone provide a reference to confirm that simply holding an Australian ATPL will exempt me from the formal ground school requirement? If not, will the fact that I've previously successfully passed the exams exempt me from the ground school?
Thanks
Article 8 of the Aircrew Regulation.
Consolidated version of 8 Apr 2019 at https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2011/1178/2019-04-08
There has been a subsequent amendment to the regulation and some of its annexes although article 8 remains unmodified. Amendments not yet reflected in that consolidated version are here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...LEX:32019R1747
Consolidated version of 8 Apr 2019 at https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2011/1178/2019-04-08
There has been a subsequent amendment to the regulation and some of its annexes although article 8 remains unmodified. Amendments not yet reflected in that consolidated version are here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...LEX:32019R1747
From the portal
The conditions for the credit are different for third country pilots and military pilots. Both requirements can be found in CAP 804 - Flight Crew Licensing: Mandatory Requirements, Policy and Guidance. Credit from approved training is by self assessment; therefore the examination applicant must read CAP804 prior to claiming the credit.
SRG1192 - http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1192FF_EUR.pdf
SRG2133 - http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG2133FFenabled1.pdf
When you register in preparation for booking your Theoretical Knowledge examination, at the Organisation stage please select one of the following options based upon your credit:
Exempt Approved Training (Exempt from Approved Training Provisions)
Credit from Approved Training - Theoretical Knowledge
In certain circumstances holders of a third country licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 and UK Military Pilots are able to claim a credit from the requirement to attend approved training prior Part-FCL Theoretical Knowledge examinations.The conditions for the credit are different for third country pilots and military pilots. Both requirements can be found in CAP 804 - Flight Crew Licensing: Mandatory Requirements, Policy and Guidance. Credit from approved training is by self assessment; therefore the examination applicant must read CAP804 prior to claiming the credit.
- Third country pilots claiming credit in accordance with Article 8 of Commission Regulation (EU) 1178/2011 are referred to CAP804 Section 4, Part Q, and Sub -part 2.
- UK Military pilots claiming credit in accordance with Article 8 of Commission Regulation (EU) 1178/2011 are referred to CAP 804 Section 4, Part O.
SRG1192 - http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1192FF_EUR.pdf
SRG2133 - http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG2133FFenabled1.pdf
When you register in preparation for booking your Theoretical Knowledge examination, at the Organisation stage please select one of the following options based upon your credit:
Exempt Approved Training (Exempt from Approved Training Provisions)