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Multi Engine ATP Checkride

Old 11th Oct 2019, 19:02
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Multi Engine ATP Checkride

Good afternoon y'all.

I currently hold a JAA ATPL (A) and an FAA CPL (A) with ATP-CTP course and ATP Written. All that's left to do for me is to do an ATP check ride. I would like to do this on a Multi-Engine Piston, the likes of a Seminole/310/PA34 etc, you get my drift. Does anyone have good suggestions to where (and at which school/operator/examiner) to do this at best cost and/or with the best flexibility?

I would love to do it in a 777 or 737 sim but unfortunately the FAA does not allow it so this is my alternative.

Thank you for all the suggestions,

Seb.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 21:36
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The FAA will allow it at the conclusion of a training course with Type rating checkride not just one sim session.
So yes they do allow it.
Just in combination with a type rating.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Sebastiaen View Post
Good afternoon y'all.

I currently hold a JAA ATPL (A) and an FAA CPL (A) with ATP-CTP course and ATP Written. All that's left to do for me is to do an ATP check ride. I would like to do this on a Multi-Engine Piston, the likes of a Seminole/310/PA34 etc, you get my drift. Does anyone have good suggestions to where (and at which school/operator/examiner) to do this at best cost and/or with the best flexibility?

I would love to do it in a 777 or 737 sim but unfortunately the FAA does not allow it so this is my alternative.

Thank you for all the suggestions,

Seb.
Why do want to pay for your own FAA ATP? Any US airline would give you a type rating and ATP for free...
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 08:06
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Originally Posted by B2N2 View Post
The FAA will allow it at the conclusion of a training course with Type rating checkride not just one sim session.
So yes they do allow it.
Just in combination with a type rating.
You're correct. I just refuse to pay for a TR.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 08:08
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Why do want to pay for your own FAA ATP? Any US airline would give you a type rating and ATP for free...
Unfortunately for JetBlue, Frontier, United, American, SWA etc you need to have a valid FAA ATP...
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 14:07
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Originally Posted by B2N2 View Post
The FAA will allow it at the conclusion of a training course with Type rating checkride not just one sim session.
So yes they do allow it.
Just in combination with a type rating.
Sure, you are right. I just don't feel like paying for a full TR. I would like to stick with the cheaper option.
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
Why do want to pay for your own FAA ATP? Any US airline would give you a type rating and ATP for free...
Hardly. For United, UPS, JetBlue, Frontier, American, SWA etc you need a full FAA ATP.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by Sebastiaen View Post
Hardly. For United, UPS, JetBlue, Frontier, American, SWA etc you need a full FAA ATP.
You should probably do some research on the US job market. Assuming you've got the right to live and work there, even with a 4 year degree you're not likely to go straight into a major/legacy. On the other hand you will easily get into a regional. They'll give you a type on something and the ATP. Once you've got a decent amount of part 121 experience you'll get a command and once you have a decent amount of PIC time you'll have a shot at the big time. A lot of people seem to think that their type ratings and jet time outside of the US counts for something. Unless you've already got something lined up...
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 16:23
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Originally Posted by rudestuff View Post
You should probably do some research on the US job market. Assuming you've got the right to live and work there, even with a 4 year degree you're not likely to go straight into a major/legacy. On the other hand you will easily get into a regional. They'll give you a type on something and the ATP. Once you've got a decent amount of part 121 experience you'll get a command and once you have a decent amount of PIC time you'll have a shot at the big time. A lot of people seem to think that their type ratings and jet time outside of the US counts for something. Unless you've already got something lined up...
Thank you for your 2 cents. You're probably right, my years of flying 777's in and out of the USA probably don't count for anything. And yes I have the right to live and work there.

Now; does anybody have some good tips? I have spoken to several schools but flexibility seems to be hard to find.
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Originally Posted by Sebastiaen View Post
Thank you for your 2 cents. You're probably right, my years of flying 777's in and out of the USA probably don't count for anything. And yes I have the right to live and work there.

Now; does anybody have some good tips? I have spoken to several schools but flexibility seems to be hard to find.

​​​​​​I think you're mistaken about needing a full TR and not doing it in a Sim. I have a colleague that did it at FTI Denver. His whole process was 8.5k ATP-CTP + ATP check, no TR.
I'm sure they can point you in the right direction

https://ftiratings.com/specialty-courses/#atprating
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Old 13th Oct 2019, 12:11
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You didn't say if you're looking specifically in Europe, US, or where.
In the US, these guys at Groton, CT come to mind for basic piston-twin ratings:
Action Multi Ratings - Multi Engine Training Specialists located in Groton, CT
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 01:55
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Originally Posted by Sebastiaen View Post
Thank you for your 2 cents. You're probably right, my years of flying 777's in and out of the USA probably don't count for anything. And yes I have the right to live and work there.
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Unless they were for a 121 Airline then no.
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