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Old 14th Aug 2019, 21:48
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FFS rental rates and options for Skill test

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As a part of the conversion process I have to take a skill test on EASA 737NG FFS. The problem Is i only know just a couple of schools offering FFS for rent. The BAA asks for 2800 per 4hour session, So I would like to ask whether someone could advise other possible schools/facilities offering FFS within Europe for conducting a skill test with reasonable rates?

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Assuming you have passed the EASA exams and have a foreign type rating with 500+ hours on type, why not let an employer LST you? They would have to LPC/OPC you anyway..
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My current employer is not within EASA, so it does not have any approved examiners, our FFS is in use for 100% and until now I have had no success in arranging a session. So looking for other possible options
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SIM with TRE plus the VAT cost around 1200/EUR for a two-hour session which should be enough, you'll need to shop around.

Do not forget to factor all the other not-so-small costs, I ended up in Vilnius once over Dublin's SimTech, due to the accommodation, meal and taxi costs alone.
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Originally Posted by Lan_Morehell
My current employer is not within EASA, so it does not have any approved examiners, our FFS is in use for 100% and until now I have had no success in arranging a session. So looking for other possible options
If the FFS isn't EASA qualified it won't be of much use to you.
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Originally Posted by ZFT
If the FFS isn't EASA qualified it won't be of much use to you.
Well, thanks, that's exactly the reason why I started this topic
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Well, thanks, that's exactly the reason why I started this topic
I understood from your post it was in use 100% and that was your reported issue, not lack of EASA qualification
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I understood from your post it was in use 100% and that was your reported issue, not lack of EASA qualification
Nope, this would not be a problem as only a copy of the FFS certificate is required to make it "EASA approved"
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Nope, this would not be a problem as only a copy of the FFS certificate is required to make it "EASA approved"
Really! I suggest you review that. If the operator is not with an EASA member state, the FSTD needs to be qualified by the agency themselves.
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Really! I suggest you review that. If the operator is not with an EASA member state, the FSTD needs to be qualified by the agency themselves.
That's what austrocontrol told me.

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SIM with TRE plus the VAT cost around 1200/EUR for a two-hour session which should be enough, you'll need to shop around.

Do not forget to factor all the other not-so-small costs, I ended up in Vilnius once over Dublin's SimTech, due to the accommodation, meal and taxi costs alone.
Thanks!! That's really useful info.. Could you please produce a small list of schools/organizations providing FFS for dry lease? Now I know SimTech But that's not enough.
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Originally Posted by Lan_Morehell
Thanks!! That's really useful info.. Could you please produce a small list of schools/organizations providing FFS for dry lease? Now I know SimTech But that's not enough.
I will not do the homework for you.

Dry lease is a bit harder to get your hands on. Given the state of industry in Europe, there are multiple SIM facilities across the continent run standalone, for profit. You do not need to sneak in via a bypass, walk through the front door as a customer.

Cockpit4U were great to me when I needed help and I payed with pleasure what was asked because of the product delivered. If you arrive from afar, maybe centres at large international hubs, name BRU, AMS and LGW will work very nice too. Not sure if I've mentioned already, the Loop Hotel is located super convenient.

Good luck.

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CAE produce a civil aircraft simulator census each year. It would be worth looking at it to get an idea of who has FFS available.
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