Ryanair Mentored Programme
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Ryanair Mentored Programme
Hi everyone,
I have to start the ATPL training, andI am considering to try the Ryanair mentored programme assessment at Atlantic Flight Training Academy/Bartolini Air, but the current situation of Ryanair seems to be not encouraging; are these sorts of cadet schemes still worth or quite risky overall?
Thanks for any info.
I have to start the ATPL training, andI am considering to try the Ryanair mentored programme assessment at Atlantic Flight Training Academy/Bartolini Air, but the current situation of Ryanair seems to be not encouraging; are these sorts of cadet schemes still worth or quite risky overall?
Thanks for any info.
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From: Newcastle upon Tyne
Even if a cadet begins today it takes 2 years before he even gets close to Ryanair, besides, think twice before doing this program. There is no job guarantee at any stage
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From: "Dark side of the moon"
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I'm only still looking round right now and learning gradually as I'm looking to begin training next year hopefully, it does seem that doing a proper ATPL leaves more doors open for example if for whatever reason you became redundant you would not necessarily be able to go to another airline.
Unfortunately I can't post links yet to an article I read yesterday... but if you google search MPL vs ATPL theres a website called "pilot george" with some info - hopefully that will help you make a decision.
Unfortunately I can't post links yet to an article I read yesterday... but if you google search MPL vs ATPL theres a website called "pilot george" with some info - hopefully that will help you make a decision.
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From: North
Even though media are reporting 900 pilot lay offs and there has been a significant slow down in RYR FO intake, there was still a linkedin post today from a RYR recruiter about 4 or 5 students on the RYR monitred cadet program from sky4U that were offered positions as First Officer. Intake is lower, but they are still hiring. A RYR SOP specific MCC will still be a huge plus if your plan is to get into ryanair.
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Even though media are reporting 900 pilot lay offs and there has been a significant slow down in RYR FO intake, there was still a linkedin post today from a RYR recruiter about 4 or 5 students on the RYR monitred cadet program from sky4U that were offered positions as First Officer. Intake is lower, but they are still hiring. A RYR SOP specific MCC will still be a huge plus if your plan is to get into ryanair.
I'd wager there are at least 150 cadets that passed the stages at HQ, most had courses canceled because of the MAX and are in hold pools, myself included. Would be a kick in the teeth if there's ongoing recruitment for only mentored programs.
My view is that MCC APS is totally useless, pass rate was less than 50% during assessments and now with CAE program costing €10,000 with 4yr bond. Just extra expense.
My view is that MCC APS is totally useless, pass rate was less than 50% during assessments and now with CAE program costing €10,000 with 4yr bond. Just extra expense.
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From: North
posted 19 hours ago on linkedin by the pilot recruitment coordinator. Including a picture of the students and recruiters. It could well be that these students are part of the 150 cadets you mentioned who were higher up that list. Atleast a sign that it's not on a complete standstill I guess? I personally think that recruitment will pick up very rapidly once the MAX starts flying again.
We were delighted to welcome 4 Cadets (Mihai, Giovanni, Francesco & Matej) to the Ryanair family who completed their Ryanair Mentored APS MCC with
SKY4u Aviation Service GmbH! We wish you all the best in your career with us! Mark Duffy Colm Judge Kay Wachtelborn hashtag#ryanair hashtag#aviation hashtag#apsmcc hashtag#ryanairgivesyouwings hashtag#mentored hashtag#welcome hashtag#students hashtag#cadets
We were delighted to welcome 4 Cadets (Mihai, Giovanni, Francesco & Matej) to the Ryanair family who completed their Ryanair Mentored APS MCC with
SKY4u Aviation Service GmbH! We wish you all the best in your career with us! Mark Duffy Colm Judge Kay Wachtelborn hashtag#ryanair hashtag#aviation hashtag#apsmcc hashtag#ryanairgivesyouwings hashtag#mentored hashtag#welcome hashtag#students hashtag#cadets
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From: sunny troon
News from across the Pond indicate that the FAA will recertify the MAX early 2020.
Whether EASA will then essentially rubber stamp the MAX, or carry out their own processes before giving it approval again, only time will tell.
Whether EASA will then essentially rubber stamp the MAX, or carry out their own processes before giving it approval again, only time will tell.
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From: Amantido
The sooner the MAX flies again, the better. Not just for Ryanair, but everybody involved in the industry. Two smallish operators in my home country have the MAX in the fleet, it's hurting them really bad.
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From: Palmas
posted 19 hours ago on linkedin by the pilot recruitment coordinator. Including a picture of the students and recruiters. It could well be that these students are part of the 150 cadets you mentioned who were higher up that list. Atleast a sign that it's not on a complete standstill I guess? I personally think that recruitment will pick up very rapidly once the MAX starts flying again.
We were delighted to welcome 4 Cadets (Mihai, Giovanni, Francesco & Matej) to the Ryanair family who completed their Ryanair Mentored APS MCC with
SKY4u Aviation Service GmbH! We wish you all the best in your career with us! Mark Duffy Colm Judge Kay Wachtelborn hashtag#ryanair hashtag#aviation hashtag#apsmcc hashtag#ryanairgivesyouwings hashtag#mentored hashtag#welcome hashtag#students hashtag#cadets
We were delighted to welcome 4 Cadets (Mihai, Giovanni, Francesco & Matej) to the Ryanair family who completed their Ryanair Mentored APS MCC with
SKY4u Aviation Service GmbH! We wish you all the best in your career with us! Mark Duffy Colm Judge Kay Wachtelborn hashtag#ryanair hashtag#aviation hashtag#apsmcc hashtag#ryanairgivesyouwings hashtag#mentored hashtag#welcome hashtag#students hashtag#cadets
I think when recruitment restarts with the max deliveries coming in they will be hiring massively
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I am also interested in the Ryanair program at AFTA. Is there anyone here that has started the Ryanair mentored training, or completed it and got the job with Ryanair? Is it true that the only part that you are doing with Ryanair is the APSMCC and that the rest is the normal AFTA training? I was also advised to do modular. Can I do the modular training elsewhere and still do the Ryanair APS MCC with AFTA?
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I don't know much about Aviomar - besides being a RYR partner - but I've heard really good things about AFTA overall. They seem to have a large, modern fleet; in-house maintenance (I think); flying from a commercial airport; great instructors and training; varied weather for tricky IFR flying. As always, get yourself a class 1 medical first and visit your shortlisted schools in person, but AFTA seems like it's in a good position at the moment.
I visited a pilot careers fair where I got to speak to AFTA. I explained my fears of integrated schools collapsing during training. They said that due to another ATO having folded and leaving students in a sticky situation previously, the Irish Aviation Authority has since ensured that Irish schools have regular financial checks (every year i think?) to ensure that the school can actually deliver to its paying customers/students. Obviously, keep in mind that this is what was said by them as a recruitment/marketing team; however I'm sure you could contact the Irish Aviation Authority to confirm all this with paper trails and check that AFTA is financially stable.
I visited a pilot careers fair where I got to speak to AFTA. I explained my fears of integrated schools collapsing during training. They said that due to another ATO having folded and leaving students in a sticky situation previously, the Irish Aviation Authority has since ensured that Irish schools have regular financial checks (every year i think?) to ensure that the school can actually deliver to its paying customers/students. Obviously, keep in mind that this is what was said by them as a recruitment/marketing team; however I'm sure you could contact the Irish Aviation Authority to confirm all this with paper trails and check that AFTA is financially stable.
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I don't know much about Aviomar - besides being a RYR partner - but I've heard really good things about AFTA overall. They seem to have a large, modern fleet; in-house maintenance (I think); flying from a commercial airport; great instructors and training; varied weather for tricky IFR flying. As always, get yourself a class 1 medical first and visit your shortlisted schools in person, but AFTA seems like it's in a good position at the moment.
I visited a pilot careers fair where I got to speak to AFTA. I explained my fears of integrated schools collapsing during training. They said that due to another ATO having folded and leaving students in a sticky situation previously, the Irish Aviation Authority has since ensured that Irish schools have regular financial checks (every year i think?) to ensure that the school can actually deliver to its paying customers/students. Obviously, keep in mind that this is what was said by them as a recruitment/marketing team; however I'm sure you could contact the Irish Aviation Authority to confirm all this with paper trails and check that AFTA is financially stable.
I visited a pilot careers fair where I got to speak to AFTA. I explained my fears of integrated schools collapsing during training. They said that due to another ATO having folded and leaving students in a sticky situation previously, the Irish Aviation Authority has since ensured that Irish schools have regular financial checks (every year i think?) to ensure that the school can actually deliver to its paying customers/students. Obviously, keep in mind that this is what was said by them as a recruitment/marketing team; however I'm sure you could contact the Irish Aviation Authority to confirm all this with paper trails and check that AFTA is financially stable.
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I’ve done some flying in AFTA.
Excellent setup, sometimes terrible weather (had quite a few lessons moved), a lot of their former integrated students are instructors (building hours/waiting to get an airline job). Flying a Cessna and holding for a jet to take off in the same space is very cool! They have quite a few glass 172s but equally some older ones too. SIM setup is the best in the country (within the confines of their own school). It is a very large school and there’s lots of students from all over the world training there as a result which backs up how regarded they are as a result. As far as I’m aware, neither AFTA or the other ATO in Ireland (National Flight Centre) ask for the price up front. It’s an initial deposit of approx €3,000 and then two weeks before training commences, another €20,000. Next payment is not due until 6 months into the course.
Excellent setup, sometimes terrible weather (had quite a few lessons moved), a lot of their former integrated students are instructors (building hours/waiting to get an airline job). Flying a Cessna and holding for a jet to take off in the same space is very cool! They have quite a few glass 172s but equally some older ones too. SIM setup is the best in the country (within the confines of their own school). It is a very large school and there’s lots of students from all over the world training there as a result which backs up how regarded they are as a result. As far as I’m aware, neither AFTA or the other ATO in Ireland (National Flight Centre) ask for the price up front. It’s an initial deposit of approx €3,000 and then two weeks before training commences, another €20,000. Next payment is not due until 6 months into the course.