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Old 11th May 2019, 14:13
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Anyone starting the CAE Oxford Intergrated ATPL course on the 13th December 2019?
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Anyone starting the CAE Oxford Intergrated ATPL course on the 13th December 2019?
no but I have my stage 2 assessment coming up for this, any tips or hits please?
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Old 21st May 2019, 22:21
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CAE Oxford stage 2

Hi All
If you are about to do your stage 2 assessment at oxford for the Integrated ATPL or MPL this message is for you.

Once you have completed your scheduling for the stage 2 assessment via booking uk, I suggest that you book 1 months in advance before sitting the assessment, depending on your maths and physics knowledge this would help a lot. The day consist of a battery of assessments that have been created by Symbiotics based in the UK.

The pilot screening that CAE use is called ADAPT where you will have to undergo 6 test within a time limited task. I suggest to everyone even before considering doing the ADAPt test at oxford get prepared as it may be difficult for some of you.

Letís get stuck in, the maths and physics test are based at gcse level especially for the physics as it requires some knowledge about the earths rotation around the sun, velocity and acceleration questions such as is velocity and acceleration the same ? A train is traveling at a speed of 49m/s and has increased itís velocity to 55m/s in a time of 5 seconds what is the rate of acceleration ? You will be required to know gay lussscs law such as temperatures and pressures. You will be provided with the formula to do the question. Then you will be required to know the formula of weigh= massxgravity, Potentially energy and kinetic energy, also properties of solids liquids and gases, knowledge in magnets, pressure, energy.

For the maths part it is very simple if you master Speed-distance-time you will be fine. The hardest part in maths are the combined S-D-T with fuel rate example: if 2.3=1kg. You do a trip of 1980 miles at an average speed of 430mph. You use 25lbs/minute. What is the fuel consumption in kg ?
And some basic trigonometry such as you are on a heading of 160 you turn left 260 degrees then right 12 degrees what is your new heading. Get familiar with all those types and you will breeze through it.

Also CAE donít mention it but you can buy a symbiotics maths progressive and physics test on their website at a cost of 15£ each but they will not provide any feedback only your results generated once completed the test. If you are a fast enough take screenshots of the ques And practice as much as you can those types of questions as they repeatedly the same typical questions but not the same way of course. The FAST test that requires a split attention and assess your multitasking abilities. You will have to answer maths cognitive orientation questions also fly a plane through barriers ect. You get 2 attempts the aim is to improve in your second attempt. Those are the hardest tasks, however the ball game is quite tricky if you donít have any hand-eye-coordination skills I suggest that you practice at home using a joy stick or if you sail that yould be such an advantage.

Maths and physics test are 30 min each 20 random generated questions.

Best of of luck to all of you thinking to apply for an airline or whitetail program.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 14:09
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Hi, I have my stage 2 in August so all being well may be starting the course in December. When did you do your assessment?
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CAE OAA APP first officers

I join AP434 starting 18th October 2019 at CAE Oxford,
UK and was wondering if anybody else from the same batch was on here.
Let me know below if youíd like to get in touch!
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I join AP435 starting on 3rd of January 2020.
Is anyone else joining this course on here?
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 07:09
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A three month gap between courses ? There used to be one starting every month.

Is this to help reduce the backlog in flying ? There were reports of people coming back from Arizona and unable to start the IR at Oxford for up to 6 months or more.

mind you, if you are in a hole, there is no point in digging yourself in any deeper.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 12:07
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A three month gap between courses ? There used to be one starting every month.

Is this to help reduce the backlog in flying ? There were reports of people coming back from Arizona and unable to start the IR at Oxford for up to 6 months or more.

mind you, if you are in a hole, there is no point in digging yourself in any deeper.
Yes, Last I heard there were batches starting every month around June of 2019. Seems like they have a problem of plenty!
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 13:16
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Three months sounds incredible for an organization so keen on productivity - are there many students?

What is the instructor situation at Kidlington at the moment as I had heard that there were very few permanent instructors about; I guess they use freelancers as they do in the sim center's but how does this work as far as continuity is concerned?
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 16:31
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The sim centre at Kidlington was suddenly closed in January or February so now the MCC part has to be done at Gatwick. I was told they were using a 737-200 sim at Gatwick - but this may have been a joke.

have heard figures of between 3 and 5 permanent FIS left, but this seems to vary dependent on how disgruntled the former student is, so don't know what the real number is
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The sim centre at Kidlington was suddenly closed in January or February so now the MCC part has to be done at Gatwick. I was told they were using a 737-200 sim at Gatwick - but this may have been a joke.

have heard figures of between 3 and 5 permanent FIS left, but this seems to vary dependent on how disgruntled the former student is, so don't know what the real number is
I heard they were planning on switching to A320 for their JOC. Don't know what the current state is as of now though.
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Yes, at the minute the earliest start date in Oxford is January. You can start before in Brussels or Madrid.
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3 to 5? There were over 70 including SFI's not too many years ago at EGTK alone with about 5 fair weather facilities dotted around the U.S.A and a modular school in Gloucester on top and all at a time where there wasn't anything like the level of demand seen today!

Are students bound contractually to not comment on sites such as this? I've not seen any feedback lately about CAE or L3/Harris/CTC which strikes me as odd when you consider their relative size to smaller schools you see in other threads here ad infinitum.
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The small number is the permanent FIs. I understand they have casual/contract ones as well, but you would have thought the gold plated cost would have bought something better than instructors on zero hours contracts or paid only when they fly. Seems no better than a lot of flying clubs, does it ?

With no sim centre there anymore, all the SFIs have gone. Feeback from past students was that the sims were so obsolete (30 year old 737 classics) that when the jacks failed there were just no replacement parts avaiable. Seems the plan is to use whatever they inherited when they bought Oxford until it is no longer usable, then move elsewhere.

There was just the one fair weather base in the USA near Phoenix - I think they started in Florida years ago and headed west over the years. They were on one side of Phoenix then ended up on the other (I think finally at Goodyea). So maybe we're at 5 bases in total, but over a period of some years, and consecutively, not concurrently ? I don't think there was ever anything modular at Gloucester - if there was you are talking about 20 years ago or more.

The comment about Madrid and Brussels is very interesting. The 1960s infrastructure (classrooms, accomodation) at Oxford is in a very poor state. Most significantly there has been no change or improvement to it since CAE took over in 2012. Madrid and Brussels are based at CAE sim centres in modern buildings. The additional cost of utilising rooms there for classes is low.

Looks like they are running down the groundschool presence at Oxford if the earliest you can get in there is 6 months ahead ? It's all branded as CAE, not Oxford any more. The airport now has the focus is on bizjets. They would like, as all airports do when they get the bigger boys in, to be rid of the irritating fleet of little training aeroplanes that get in the way.

Looks like their their days at Oxford are numbered. Maybe the whole process will be rapidly accelerated after 31st October ?

It would explain why they are hedging their bets with Madrid and Brussels.

If the airport does get renamed renamed the proposed London Oxford Boris Johnson, my prediction is that bizjet movements number would be so high as to make further training there impractical.......:-)




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There was just the one fair weather base in the USA near Phoenix
B61 - yes, albeit almost 20 years ago but concurrently there were fair weather bases in Florida at Lakeland (KLAL), Pompano Beach (KPMP), and for a time Vero Beach (KVRB), and in Arizona, Deer Valley (KDVT) and Williams Gateway (KIWA) all primarily tasked with training sponsored cadets from BA/BD/EI and others as well as self-sponsored long-course (integrated) students. Remarkable to think that at that time, only about one-third of the current syllabus was conducted overseas in terms of flying hours with SE CPL and ME IR (in fact almost all instrument instruction) delivered at Kidlington. Following some consolidation just pre and more significantly post 9-11, all of the fair-weather training moved to Tyler (KTYR), Texas following OAA's acquisition by BBA and capitalising on existing facilities there (Signature Flight Support). The weather was not really suitable for sustained year round VFR training however and an arrangement with a Belgian owned FTO (SFA/SATC) operating their own FWB in Scottsdale (KSDL), AZ resulted in a return to the Phoenix area which subsequently lead to the establishment of the Goodyear (KGYR) operation with facilities leased from Lufthansa (ATCA) for a number of years and following purchase by CAE, the entire operation was assimilated into their 'Global Academy' facility at Mesa Falcon Field (KFFZ), which is where the students are sent today. Madrid, Brussels, Evora and Amsterdam all existed as CAE simulator centres previously, with a facility for ATPL theoretical knowledge training at each and students farmed out to FTO's for practical training although now of course, they go to KFFZ.

The modular school in the UK I referred to was at Gloucester around 2000-2001 with it's own CFI and dedicated instructor team. They had a fleet of Seneca III's (the Kidlington ones were II's) and away from the busy Oxford environment, was a good little operation. IIRC, there was also something at Carlisle for a time as well and perhaps a little earlier. Sad to see the name go and as you say, we could well be moving towards a time where any meaningful training is simply impractical as EGTK becomes another Biggin Hill. The apron certainly doesn't look anything like it did a few years ago but some would call that progress I suppose. Happy days!
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Reverser bucket,

Yes those are all familiar names, I think some must stretch back to the early 90s ! When an "integrated" course really was as described, I recall they used to do the first 45 hours in Florida, then come back for the first ground exams.

The course has not been integrated in reality since the old CAP509 courses were replaced by EASA nearly 20 years ago. The reality is that it is just a continuous course with all the theory training in the classroom first, followed by all the flying. It would be best if "integrated" was either dropped as a name, or if you could not do theory exams until at least 45 hours of flying have been completed.

As you say, the "new Biggin" is the reality. The classroom part could be done at the sim centres, or any business park , so to have a stand-alone site for it at Oxford has limited business sense. The IR part just needs a GA friendly airport with approaches. Maybe a return to Gloucester?

The fact is that in a buoyant market, paying a gold plated price to go to an "integrated" school like CAE or L3 is a waste of money. Modular candidates are getting the jobs with an equal measure of success and without having the frustrating delays that have been a problem for the past two years in the big schools, many of which have been caused by instructors leaving due to declining terms and conditions.

It is significant that CAE and L3 took over successful stand alone schools and then sucked money away from front line staff to pay for acquisition costs and all the big corporate overheads. I expect both found out quickly that margins in CPL flight training are slim compared to what they are used to from their more normal big corporate and military customers.

It's a sector best left the small/medium sized enterprises in the modular category and the big outfits focus on the more capital intensive segment requiring simulators, such as Type Ratings.

You have to wonder about who decided that dropping the name Oxford was a good idea, given the draw the name still has in Europe and the ME. Probably some know-nothing in Montreal who had never heard of it.

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....we could well be moving towards a time where any meaningful training is simply impractical as EGTK becomes another Biggin Hill
I seriously doubt it. Whatever the current management choose to call Oxford (Kidlington) airport, it is still well over an hour by road from central London and that's too far for most bizjet owners. It's unlikely that Oxford will increase its jet movements much over today's figures and will always need the GA element to keep it viable. Quite how it will achieve this when CAE move out and Airways go under will be interesting to see.

Incidentally, as well as the already quoted locations, OATS also had a presence at Dundee for a brief period to cover one specific contract. Carlisle was a duplicate operation, not much, if any smaller than Oxford. Cadets were allocated to one base or the other and completed the whole of their course there.
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I remember the Dundee operation as well - late 90's IIRC?
Probably some know-nothing in Montreal who had never heard of it.
I don't believe it was ever the intention to re-brand the OAA acquisition as anything other than CAE Global Academy (as the existing FTO's were already named) however the Montreal based project managers were convinced from a regulatory standpoint at least, that it was simpler to maintain the Oxford name to being with. It's evident through the retention of both individual organizations branding in CAE Oxford marketing that both could easily be separated again or the latter simply allowed to evaporate quietly, and the airbrushing of the aircraft tails and dropping of the Oxford brand in specific advertising bears testament to this in my opinion.

Interesting that the thread seems to have lost the interest of anyone other than those of us reminiscing...
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Hi, i'm also starting that date, are you coming to the meet and greet Friday?
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anyone starting CAE on the 3rd January? If so thinking of making a facebook group chat...reply to be added
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