Is it worth doing an IMC if you have to do IR later
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Is it worth doing an IMC if you have to do IR later
Was thinking of starting an IMC now (still have a few nvq credits to burn before end of june) but is there any point if you have to do IR later on (assuming you pass ATPL exams etc). Can you get any credits for this when doing the IR course ??
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Don`t think you can get any time off an IR now,if you do an IMC.I still think it`s worth doing though.Especially if you have some hours to build.At least it allows you to practise some of the things that are involved in the IR,and every little bit of experience helps.It`s going to be my reward for finishing the exams!
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One of our fellow Pruners raised this question a short while ago. One of the replies - can't remember who it was - said to imagine yourself inbound to an airfield with the weather closing in, vis dropping, raining, lowering cloud base - whatever. You'll be glad to hold an IMC and it may save your life. Consider it an intro to the IR and use your IMC skills in tandem with VFR hourbuilding. It will help with the IR and you'll feel ahead of the game.
Then again, JMHO.
Cheers
Kanga
Then again, JMHO.
Cheers
Kanga
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There is much confusion over whether you will get hrs off the IR so if that is why your doing it bewary!!
I did mine however and am VERY glad I did as it has come in handy once or twice already during flying and also during my ATPL course (as i had a better understanding of the radio nav equipment etc)
Its a worth while license to get as it WILL and there is no doubt about this help towards your ability during your IR whether or not it helps towards the hours and in my opinion (not that it means much) it helps to making you a safer pilot
I did mine however and am VERY glad I did as it has come in handy once or twice already during flying and also during my ATPL course (as i had a better understanding of the radio nav equipment etc)
Its a worth while license to get as it WILL and there is no doubt about this help towards your ability during your IR whether or not it helps towards the hours and in my opinion (not that it means much) it helps to making you a safer pilot
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As mentioned above this topic was discussed a while ago. I think the conclusion then was with JAA you will not get any reduction off IR with an IMC.
As the previous posts states its worth having as you may need it one day. Also its experience of a different kind of flying and it may help you to pass the IR course first time.
As the previous posts states its worth having as you may need it one day. Also its experience of a different kind of flying and it may help you to pass the IR course first time.
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The answer is 'sort of, perhaps' depending on if you have a CAA PPL or CPL or a JAA PPL and if you will do the IR before the end of June 2002...etc. etc. For full details see the June policy update at...
http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/documents/s...licyUpdate.pdf
http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/documents/s...licyUpdate.pdf
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I was about to launch into this kind of thing myself...
This is an extract from the CAA FCL site:
Holders of a UK PPL(A) or UK CPL(A) with an IMC Rating which includes a valid Certificate of Test will be
entitled to a reduction in the approved training requirement of 12 hours of dual instruction in instrument
flying, where the training and testing are completed by 30 June 2002. A UK CPL(A) holder who receives this
12 hour credit is not entitled to a further 5 hour reduction as allowed in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.205
paragraph 12.
· Holders of JAR-FCL licences (including the JAR-FCL CPL(A)(Restricted)) may not benefit from the 12 hours
credit based on the IMC Rating, but a JAR-FCL CPL holder would be eligible for the 5 hour reduction in
accordance with Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.205
It would seem to suggest that you can get 12 hours off the IR if you have PPL(A) with IMC. But strangely I don't really understand what it means when it refers to the CPL.... Maybe someone in the know can clarify this.
I am in the middle of my ATPL studies and am hour building. I have received the counselling that says "do the IMC anyway", and I have to agree - but would be far more convinced if I knew it would save me time and money when I come to do my multi IR.
Any feedback here?
Best wishes,
Nish.
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This is an extract from the CAA FCL site:
Holders of a UK PPL(A) or UK CPL(A) with an IMC Rating which includes a valid Certificate of Test will be
entitled to a reduction in the approved training requirement of 12 hours of dual instruction in instrument
flying, where the training and testing are completed by 30 June 2002. A UK CPL(A) holder who receives this
12 hour credit is not entitled to a further 5 hour reduction as allowed in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.205
paragraph 12.
· Holders of JAR-FCL licences (including the JAR-FCL CPL(A)(Restricted)) may not benefit from the 12 hours
credit based on the IMC Rating, but a JAR-FCL CPL holder would be eligible for the 5 hour reduction in
accordance with Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.205
It would seem to suggest that you can get 12 hours off the IR if you have PPL(A) with IMC. But strangely I don't really understand what it means when it refers to the CPL.... Maybe someone in the know can clarify this.
I am in the middle of my ATPL studies and am hour building. I have received the counselling that says "do the IMC anyway", and I have to agree - but would be far more convinced if I knew it would save me time and money when I come to do my multi IR.
Any feedback here?
Best wishes,
Nish.
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Nishco
If you are in the middle of your ATPL studies right now then you are under JAR.
Your CPL will be JAR and an IMC will only gain you 5 hrs against your IR
If you were under the old CAA UK CPL roof, then you would have been credited with 12.
It's just another of those unfair JAR things!
Fact is an IMC is a UK only rating and JAR don't like it.
As Blueline says, your CPL course now includes at least 10hrs IF so why not just do your IMC after that? Makes a LOT of sense!
If you are in the middle of your ATPL studies right now then you are under JAR.
Your CPL will be JAR and an IMC will only gain you 5 hrs against your IR
If you were under the old CAA UK CPL roof, then you would have been credited with 12.
It's just another of those unfair JAR things!
Fact is an IMC is a UK only rating and JAR don't like it.
As Blueline says, your CPL course now includes at least 10hrs IF so why not just do your IMC after that? Makes a LOT of sense!
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Even if you had a foreign IR, you still have to do the full 55 hour IR course.
Doing the CPL course (25 hrs) gives a 5 hour reduction, making the IR a 50 hour course.
The IMC may be an unnecessary expense, so I didn't do one. However, there's always the safety aspect and of course it's good practice for the IR training which is extremely expensive if you overrun on hours.
Luckily, passed mine first time, but many didn't.
Good luck, whether you do it or not.
Personally, I would do the IMC rating, then hours build in The States where you'll get free approaches and lots of practice before the IR.
Doing the CPL course (25 hrs) gives a 5 hour reduction, making the IR a 50 hour course.
The IMC may be an unnecessary expense, so I didn't do one. However, there's always the safety aspect and of course it's good practice for the IR training which is extremely expensive if you overrun on hours.
Luckily, passed mine first time, but many didn't.
Good luck, whether you do it or not.
Personally, I would do the IMC rating, then hours build in The States where you'll get free approaches and lots of practice before the IR.
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personaly speaking i'd do it, any time spent flying with an instructor will improve your general flying standards, and as already said, it could provide you with a "get out of jail free" card, if things start turning smelly.
i was, however alarmed at some of the posts on the last thread on i.m.c.'s regarding the benefit of flying in reduced w/x conditions.
yes i know people who do use the full privilages of the rating, their usually v. expierenced and few and far between, and yes people without said expierence also have. unfortunately some of those aren't in a position to respond. one such tradegy resulted in the c.a.a. seriously reviewing the whole concept of the i.m.c. as a valid rating.
reduced vis, getting dark, lowering cloud base etc. etc..... would you really want to hours building in those conditions?
yes a very worthwile rating, just remember
i.m.c. does not = i.r.
wannabe's do not belong in the a.a.i.b. bulletins. there's nothing worse than being "up there" wishing you "done there"!
i was, however alarmed at some of the posts on the last thread on i.m.c.'s regarding the benefit of flying in reduced w/x conditions.
yes i know people who do use the full privilages of the rating, their usually v. expierenced and few and far between, and yes people without said expierence also have. unfortunately some of those aren't in a position to respond. one such tradegy resulted in the c.a.a. seriously reviewing the whole concept of the i.m.c. as a valid rating.
reduced vis, getting dark, lowering cloud base etc. etc..... would you really want to hours building in those conditions?
yes a very worthwile rating, just remember
i.m.c. does not = i.r.
wannabe's do not belong in the a.a.i.b. bulletins. there's nothing worse than being "up there" wishing you "done there"!
