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Ifnot Bartolini Air in Poland then what... GoldWings Warsaw?

Old 5th Jun 2018, 11:46
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Ifnot Bartolini Air in Poland then what... GoldWings Warsaw?

Hi All,

Since Bartolini Air, Lodz, Poland was my first choice for my CPL ME IR but their waiting list is now 12 months for the course, I am looking for opinions/experiences on alternative ATOs. I am open to suggestions, I just want to stay in sub 20.000 euros region for the package.

I have considered GoldWings in Warsaw, however I encountered some negative reports on PPRuNe, still everyone deserves second chance, so it would be great to hear others' experiences.

all best,
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 13:48
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I too have the same problem.But I think its worth waiting.Anyway I have heard Smart Aviation is also good.They also have a new Tecnam P2006t Twin MkII.Prices are also quite similar.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 14:15
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I dont think Smart Aviation offer this package on their website, but I have sent request to them for clarification.

Im 37... no time to wait LOL
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 14:44
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Originally Posted by JakubEGSC View Post
Hi All,

Since Bartolini Air, Lodz, Poland was my first choice for my CPL ME IR but their waiting list is now 12 months for the course, I am looking for opinions/experiences on alternative ATOs. I am open to suggestions, I just want to stay in sub 20.000 euros region for the package.

I have considered GoldWings in Warsaw, however I encountered some negative reports on PPRuNe, still everyone deserves second chance, so it would be great to hear others' experiences.

all best,
Jakub
Check out Air Alliance (https://aa-fc.de/) in Germany (EDFE); I am doing my ME with them right now in a DA42, and I think you might come in on budget. They also have a base (actually their HQ) in EDGS that has a IFR approach. Fresh, professional team with relatively new a/c. The weather in summer tends to better around EDFE, though.
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Hey Mr Cavok, thanks, I will check them out!
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 10:13
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Guys just go to a local flying club to get the PPL, in that time you will be halfway through your training if you wait 12 months to start with Bartolini

Airlines don't care about your PPL experience and where you did it, it's all about the CPL so just get your PPL where it's convenient for you and in my opinion a local flying club will give you a better PPL experience than the big named flight schools
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 10:47
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Hey Negan, I have my PPL already (painful but beautiful route via ultralights and LAPL) and 50% hours built too. Just shopping around for CPL/ME/IR package.
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Originally Posted by JakubEGSC View Post
Hey Negan, I have my PPL already (painful but beautiful route via ultralights and LAPL) and 50% hours built too. Just shopping around for CPL/ME/IR package.
Smart Aviation in Poznan seem to be decent
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Hi Negan,

yes I just contacted them, looks good! I will visit over the next two weeks and hopefully book for the winter.

Prices same as GoldWings and tiny tad less than Bartolini.

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 11:29
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I'd be very cautious with Smart Aviation in Poland instead.

Don't go cheap, you need quality training. Bartolini do a reasonable job at a very good price, which is increasing every 2-3 year thanks to simple rules of the market. Plenty of students and 80% of my course mates got jobs in Ryanair, CityJet, Adria, Loganair and one became an instructor.
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Hi BananJoe,

thanks for joining in to the topic.

That's great new from what you are saying.

SmartAviation seem to have similar fleet they are not much cheaper, as their price doesn't include landing fees, or exam fees. So if you add all this up you would be very close.

I may start new thread on the forum trying to find SmartAv graduates to get first hand info.

All very useful fro you guys - thanks for feedback.
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Hi all,

Someone recommended AirAlliance in Germany, attached are their current prices. Looks not bad and the fleet you train on is quite impressive.

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Bartolini and Smart Aviation have fairly similar offers. However, when training for CPL/ME-IR, there is added value in operating from a controlled airport. At the moment, both Lodz and Poznan-Lawica are controlled, but Lodz may be "downgraded" to AFIS in the short term as a cost-saving exercise due to the low level of commercial traffic (IFR procedures would still be there). There is no such project at Poznan - which incidentally also has APP.

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Old 9th Jun 2018, 19:09
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Originally Posted by JakubEGSC View Post
Hi BananJoe,

thanks for joining in to the topic.

That's great new from what you are saying.

SmartAviation seem to have similar fleet they are not much cheaper, as their price doesn't include landing fees, or exam fees. So if you add all this up you would be very close.

I may start new thread on the forum trying to find SmartAv graduates to get first hand info.

All very useful fro you guys - thanks for feedback.
You also need to consider Smart Aviation have to take theirairplanes to Bartolini Air, as the latter are the only Tecnam service center in Poland.

And landing fees during your training are included in the price at Bartolini.
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64K EUR? You get the same training for 49K EUR in Maribor, Slovenia... it's international airport and it's just next to Graz, Austria...
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You might also want to consider F-Air in Czech Republic. They are very good.
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 15:07
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You might also want to consider F-Air in Czech Republic. They are very good.
Could you tell me more about them? How was your experience there and what sort of services are available to get to the school?

Any help would be much appreciated, I tried with Bartolini but they have a 1 year waiting list
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 15:53
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I have not gone to F-Air but know people who have. Long story short, they are on par with Bartolini Air and the fleet is the same. Bartolini Air are also switching to the P2008.
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I have not gone to F-Air but know people who have. Long story short, they are on par with Bartolini Air and the fleet is the same. Bartolini Air are also switching to the P2008.
Ok well thank you for bringing them to my attention I will definitely contact them
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 17:00
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Air Alliance Germany

I did once the MEP/IR revalidation with them.

Very profesional outfit. A/C's well maintained. Knowledgeable instructors. Airspace is quite busy (flown from EDFE), hence excelent training environment.

From my experience, cheaper price doesn't mean always good training and high standards.
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