Anyone going to E.P.T.A. SEP02
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Hiya.
Dont know a lot about EPTA, but i would suggest if you are coming down to EGHH, pop in to the flying club, they are doing really well at the mo with first time passes. Plus they have some A1 instructors.
Beckxy.
Dont know a lot about EPTA, but i would suggest if you are coming down to EGHH, pop in to the flying club, they are doing really well at the mo with first time passes. Plus they have some A1 instructors.
Beckxy.
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RED WINGS
EPTA whilst wholly owned by CABAIR are managed by the same dynamic team that failed SFT. My understanding (and I have to admit that this is old news) is that the test flights ie GFT and IRT are conducted at CABAIR's college up in Cranfield. I have done a lot of research into all the organisations at EGHH and am currently doing the paperwork but have elected to fly with PAT.
BFC have an excellent new groundschool set up with very experienced people running it ( as far as i know the only approved groundschool at EGHH). From talking to people, EPTA are undercutting everyone in price. but at the end of the day you get what you pay for, or maybe not as some of SFT's students will testify !!!!
EPTA whilst wholly owned by CABAIR are managed by the same dynamic team that failed SFT. My understanding (and I have to admit that this is old news) is that the test flights ie GFT and IRT are conducted at CABAIR's college up in Cranfield. I have done a lot of research into all the organisations at EGHH and am currently doing the paperwork but have elected to fly with PAT.
BFC have an excellent new groundschool set up with very experienced people running it ( as far as i know the only approved groundschool at EGHH). From talking to people, EPTA are undercutting everyone in price. but at the end of the day you get what you pay for, or maybe not as some of SFT's students will testify !!!!
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RED WINGS
Be very very careful!
If I'd have been more careful in my dealings with certain people at EGHH I'd be a lot richer (or less poor) now.
Also, like FF says, don't pay up front if you can avoid it. There are places at EGHH who don't make you pay up front.
Good luck!
Be very very careful!
If I'd have been more careful in my dealings with certain people at EGHH I'd be a lot richer (or less poor) now.
Also, like FF says, don't pay up front if you can avoid it. There are places at EGHH who don't make you pay up front.
Good luck!
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From: England
Thanks for the responses I was also dubious with the SFT connection. However on talking to CABAIR cranfield, they advised me that EPTA is part of CABAIR and in the unlikelly event that i am not able to continue at eghh i will be transfered to cranfield.
EPTA has CAA approval and is quality managed by CABAIR
All flight tests are taken at EGHH not Cranfield
Yes I am paying at the end of each module with the credit card for insurance. Plus loss of training insurance with Traffords BELT AND BRACES
I appreciate the advice but after the amount of time its taken me to make the money for the course im not even letting the tax man take any money away.
Yes have had a look in at the flying club if its the one next to Meridian had brekkie in the clubhouse whilst on a delivery flight the other week.
p.s the guys at Meridian said they trained with SFT and said if the same instructors are working you couldnt ask for a better group
If anyone is at eghh and wouldnt mind having a poke about let me know any info I would appreciate it.
Likewise if anyone has any experiance of EPTA I would be interested to hear
Once again thanks everyone its nice to know wanabees watch each others backs
cheers guys
EPTA has CAA approval and is quality managed by CABAIR
All flight tests are taken at EGHH not Cranfield
Yes I am paying at the end of each module with the credit card for insurance. Plus loss of training insurance with Traffords BELT AND BRACES
I appreciate the advice but after the amount of time its taken me to make the money for the course im not even letting the tax man take any money away.
Yes have had a look in at the flying club if its the one next to Meridian had brekkie in the clubhouse whilst on a delivery flight the other week.
p.s the guys at Meridian said they trained with SFT and said if the same instructors are working you couldnt ask for a better group
If anyone is at eghh and wouldnt mind having a poke about let me know any info I would appreciate it.
Likewise if anyone has any experiance of EPTA I would be interested to hear
Once again thanks everyone its nice to know wanabees watch each others backs
cheers guys
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From: FL390
I will tell you something for nothing.
If EPTA keep sending burned SFT students letters offering them a discount on training - FOR AN UPFRONT DEPOSIT PAYMENT OF £500 - they will give themself and Cabair a bad name.
EPTA please refer to a more ethical way to gain business !!
Please
If EPTA keep sending burned SFT students letters offering them a discount on training - FOR AN UPFRONT DEPOSIT PAYMENT OF £500 - they will give themself and Cabair a bad name.
EPTA please refer to a more ethical way to gain business !!
Please
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From: England
Spitfire 747 just curious were you one of the unfotunates to go down with SFT?
I must admit I am a little concerned with the sft connection however nearly all schools require 500quid or 10% course fee.
Other than the sft connection do you have a particular gripe with the school that you know about? As I am likely to start in sep obviously I would be greatful of any feedback!
And at the end of the day look how many times cabairs gone bust over the years no fto is 100% financialy secure, hence loss of training insurance is a must in my eyes. the training insurance was advised to me by a friend who lost a lot of money with sft and he reackons its an excellent deal but just make sure every angle is protected
I must admit I am a little concerned with the sft connection however nearly all schools require 500quid or 10% course fee.
Other than the sft connection do you have a particular gripe with the school that you know about? As I am likely to start in sep obviously I would be greatful of any feedback!
And at the end of the day look how many times cabairs gone bust over the years no fto is 100% financialy secure, hence loss of training insurance is a must in my eyes. the training insurance was advised to me by a friend who lost a lot of money with sft and he reackons its an excellent deal but just make sure every angle is protected
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From: sw london
REDWINGS
Thank you for the update on the test situation at EPTA I think whatever anyone thinks about the new organisation fact is better than fiction. However with reference to the instructor situation, a former student of sft who ended completing their training at BFC states that the more senior and experienced instructors from sft are now plying their trade at BFC,PAT and ETA (not to be confused with EPTA) and at Carill in southampton. Having said that he also went on to say that the new CFI at EPTA is an excellent instructor and an asset to any fto.
SPITFIRE
With reference to EPTA continuing mailshots obviously using the old SFT student database, whilst quite upseting to a lot of people who lost money i think might warrant investigation as it should quite clearly be the property of the administrators of sft. Obviously the legal wrangle that sft ended up with against ppsc (ref copyright) material indicates that no lessons were learnt by the management team of EPTA formerly SFT.
Thank you for the update on the test situation at EPTA I think whatever anyone thinks about the new organisation fact is better than fiction. However with reference to the instructor situation, a former student of sft who ended completing their training at BFC states that the more senior and experienced instructors from sft are now plying their trade at BFC,PAT and ETA (not to be confused with EPTA) and at Carill in southampton. Having said that he also went on to say that the new CFI at EPTA is an excellent instructor and an asset to any fto.
SPITFIRE
With reference to EPTA continuing mailshots obviously using the old SFT student database, whilst quite upseting to a lot of people who lost money i think might warrant investigation as it should quite clearly be the property of the administrators of sft. Obviously the legal wrangle that sft ended up with against ppsc (ref copyright) material indicates that no lessons were learnt by the management team of EPTA formerly SFT.
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From: leeds
EPTA = European Pilot Training Academy does sound better than Ex Proprietor Tries Again but they seem to have a cred. problem.
The Data Protection Registrar might take a dim view, unless or maybe you agreed to receive information on related or suitable stuff, from other cos. Although EPTA management and marketing might be provocative, esp. to SFT victims, the purchase and use of databases is common and not necessarily illegal.
Although some claim Cabair connections and ownership, has the real Cabair provided any written guarantee, re. EPTA debts or liabilities to customers, in the event of another crash in the Bournemouth area?
Just mention that in the context of ITV Digital/Carlton case, in which the soccer clubs are being mocked for believing they had parent co. guarantees.
Would any of you guarantee EPTA?
The Data Protection Registrar might take a dim view, unless or maybe you agreed to receive information on related or suitable stuff, from other cos. Although EPTA management and marketing might be provocative, esp. to SFT victims, the purchase and use of databases is common and not necessarily illegal.
Although some claim Cabair connections and ownership, has the real Cabair provided any written guarantee, re. EPTA debts or liabilities to customers, in the event of another crash in the Bournemouth area?
Just mention that in the context of ITV Digital/Carlton case, in which the soccer clubs are being mocked for believing they had parent co. guarantees.
Would any of you guarantee EPTA?
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From: England
Notice : Thanks, although I have alredy discussed the matter at great length with cabair cranfield as you quite rightly say nothing states that on paper
looks like the phone is going to be running hot monday
looks like the phone is going to be running hot monday
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From: No Fixed Abode
I don't think that there is a Data Protection issue with the mailing list. All Creditors of SFT are entitled to a list of other creditors. So for example if SFT purchasd a computer from PC world on credit PC world could write to you asking if you want to buy their wares!
But, yes some people could be offended by the mail shot, it rattled me a bit, but how do I know that the Bank application that came last month wasn't from the same source?
Chill.
But, yes some people could be offended by the mail shot, it rattled me a bit, but how do I know that the Bank application that came last month wasn't from the same source?
Chill.
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From: England
Thanks guys but the discussion valid as it may be on liquidation law has nothing to do with the thread
I would be greatful if anyone out in the wide world has any info about EPTA or has studied at EPTA
I would be greatful if anyone out in the wide world has any info about EPTA or has studied at EPTA
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From: FL390
Would I trust EPTA ??To be honest I would neve trust any company with my money again, i could not afford the risk of losing anymore but I cannot complain though, if it is a cold winter, i have a big supply of EPTA mailshots to burn !! 
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Red Wings
I am afraid that EPTA specifically (as opposed to Cabair generally) is such a small, new organisation that it is unlikely anyone here knows anything about it unless they have an interest one way or the other. I for example know something, because I work for a competitor, but this of course means I could not be objective. Anything negative I said could be construed as commercially-minded and would be against the spirit of PPRuNe, so anything positive I said would be of no value without balance (like all organisation, EPTA has positive and negative points). I also know almost nothing about the groundschool, as they have not yet started.
I know EPTA monitor PPRuNe, but don't think any of them post, so you will not get anything directly from them.
On the other hand Bournemouth is genuinely a great place for flying training, so it can't all be bad Weather is good, full facilities and a CAAFEU, international jets but not too many.
Best of luck, and pop in for a coffee any time you like!
I am afraid that EPTA specifically (as opposed to Cabair generally) is such a small, new organisation that it is unlikely anyone here knows anything about it unless they have an interest one way or the other. I for example know something, because I work for a competitor, but this of course means I could not be objective. Anything negative I said could be construed as commercially-minded and would be against the spirit of PPRuNe, so anything positive I said would be of no value without balance (like all organisation, EPTA has positive and negative points). I also know almost nothing about the groundschool, as they have not yet started.
I know EPTA monitor PPRuNe, but don't think any of them post, so you will not get anything directly from them.
On the other hand Bournemouth is genuinely a great place for flying training, so it can't all be bad
Weather is good, full facilities and a CAAFEU, international jets but not too many.Best of luck, and pop in for a coffee any time you like!
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From: sw london
Redwings,
It would appear from the lack of response you might be going solo on the sept epta course, however the positive side is that you will be flying from one the best training sites in the uk with some of the friendliest atc types. I am surprised Send Clowns did not mention BFC forth coming Open day,hopefully his cfi will have attended a customer first course before the event.
It would appear from the lack of response you might be going solo on the sept epta course, however the positive side is that you will be flying from one the best training sites in the uk with some of the friendliest atc types. I am surprised Send Clowns did not mention BFC forth coming Open day,hopefully his cfi will have attended a customer first course before the event.