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Thanks for that.Its info like this which i am truly gratefull.Just glad i`m not studying POF helicopters!.The info regards atpl h still ongoing,i wasn`t aware of!.Was there any particular reason why there exams were given a different cut of time,or is it that just individual cases are being looked at?If i don`t correspond with you again,good luck in your hoop jumping,or should i say hoop dodging
Thanks for that.Its info like this which i am truly gratefull.Just glad i`m not studying POF helicopters!.The info regards atpl h still ongoing,i wasn`t aware of!.Was there any particular reason why there exams were given a different cut of time,or is it that just individual cases are being looked at?If i don`t correspond with you again,good luck in your hoop jumping,or should i say hoop dodging
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rocketboots,
I don't know exactly, but the move to JAR for helicopters has been behind fixed wing all along. There are rumours that the national exams for CPL(H) may continue beyond this year, as there still isn't a JAR course! But I know the CAA would love to be rid of the old exams, finally. But they do have the rotary Techs monthly, Navs bimonthly, at Gatwick, until December. P of F is different from f/w, Systems also is a bit different, and we don't have to do Perf E; apart from that, they're the same. Good Luck!
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I don't know exactly, but the move to JAR for helicopters has been behind fixed wing all along. There are rumours that the national exams for CPL(H) may continue beyond this year, as there still isn't a JAR course! But I know the CAA would love to be rid of the old exams, finally. But they do have the rotary Techs monthly, Navs bimonthly, at Gatwick, until December. P of F is different from f/w, Systems also is a bit different, and we don't have to do Perf E; apart from that, they're the same. Good Luck!
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Do you mean to say that there holding nav exams at Gatwick,which is identical to the atpl navs for those studying atpl A.Surely this can`t be???.Why in the hell are they making people trek half way round the country to shuttleworth and glasgow?.So if there still holding nav exams bi monthly,whats the harm in them letting the rest of us finish off?.
Wer`e supposed to be the next generation of U.K aviation,and were being held back by our own nations bueracracy.There is supposed to be an ever increasing demand for pilots,engineers etc yet the one body which should be helping,not hindering is doing all in its power to stop you,the one person that that wants to contribute to the ever increasing demand for aviators back.Instead there more than happy to let american pilots with a couple of thousand hours come across with a brought 50 dollar ATPL ticket do an air law exam,and human performance exam,and thats it,a nice shinny UK/JAR ATPL CREDIT.Does this suck or what!!!!!!
Do you mean to say that there holding nav exams at Gatwick,which is identical to the atpl navs for those studying atpl A.Surely this can`t be???.Why in the hell are they making people trek half way round the country to shuttleworth and glasgow?.So if there still holding nav exams bi monthly,whats the harm in them letting the rest of us finish off?.
Wer`e supposed to be the next generation of U.K aviation,and were being held back by our own nations bueracracy.There is supposed to be an ever increasing demand for pilots,engineers etc yet the one body which should be helping,not hindering is doing all in its power to stop you,the one person that that wants to contribute to the ever increasing demand for aviators back.Instead there more than happy to let american pilots with a couple of thousand hours come across with a brought 50 dollar ATPL ticket do an air law exam,and human performance exam,and thats it,a nice shinny UK/JAR ATPL CREDIT.Does this suck or what!!!!!!
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Rocketboots,
there's not a lot more I can do or suggest, but I do think you should talk to the CAA, yourself, as soon as possible. Don't wait to get a mob of like-minded people together, you must get your case in front of them now. By all means suggest the same to others, but if you wait until you've all decided what you want to say, it'll be too late! Do it for yourself, now.
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there's not a lot more I can do or suggest, but I do think you should talk to the CAA, yourself, as soon as possible. Don't wait to get a mob of like-minded people together, you must get your case in front of them now. By all means suggest the same to others, but if you wait until you've all decided what you want to say, it'll be too late! Do it for yourself, now.
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rocketboots,
Sorry, I think I'm confusing things. Until now all techs were at Shuttleworth and Glasgow, and ATPL navs. CPL navs were at Gatwick. From next month ALL national exams are at Gatwick, or so the CAA told me when I phoned up - I wasn't best pleased, since Shuttleworth is a bit closer for me. But the main point is they are happening. Scroggs is right, put your case to the CAA NOW! Good luck.
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Sorry, I think I'm confusing things. Until now all techs were at Shuttleworth and Glasgow, and ATPL navs. CPL navs were at Gatwick. From next month ALL national exams are at Gatwick, or so the CAA told me when I phoned up - I wasn't best pleased, since Shuttleworth is a bit closer for me. But the main point is they are happening. Scroggs is right, put your case to the CAA NOW! Good luck.
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Thanks guys
i`ll be putting pen to paper shortly.Just did`t realise by the lack of replies that either everyones passed,or there not bothered either way.I`m sure that this isn`t the case,and that people are perhaps unsure with the way to approach this.
i`ll be putting pen to paper shortly.Just did`t realise by the lack of replies that either everyones passed,or there not bothered either way.I`m sure that this isn`t the case,and that people are perhaps unsure with the way to approach this.
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Lack of replies,
Well we all had to live under the 3 and your out rule for years, we all knew that JAR was coming in, and the date for the cut off of the national exams,
Sorry for being blunt, but you fall at a hurdle, you pick yourself up and jump it again, thats what we all have had to do,no one said it would be easy.
I think you should put all you energy in to passing the exams next time and not criticize the CAA on a worldwide internet site for having rules.
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Well we all had to live under the 3 and your out rule for years, we all knew that JAR was coming in, and the date for the cut off of the national exams,
Sorry for being blunt, but you fall at a hurdle, you pick yourself up and jump it again, thats what we all have had to do,no one said it would be easy.
I think you should put all you energy in to passing the exams next time and not criticize the CAA on a worldwide internet site for having rules.
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sorry to have offended you and the CAA.I didn`t mean to offend you or your society,and will obviously not ever mention the fact that the CAA,are not perfect,and you can go back to your perfect world,knowing that your o.k Jack!!,in the confidence that your governing body has the sun shining out of its a"£$e.Im asking for constructive comments not,"Tough,get on with it comments".You do not know me,and you have no idea how many hoops iv`e jumped through to get this far!!!!
Of course i forget your be the sort of chap who is 1% away from passing everything and waiting for the issue of a cpl ir frozen atpl,but will brush yourself down,and go and do another 14 exams"I DON`T THINK SO".You would be fighting tooth and nail like the rest of us
sorry to have offended you and the CAA.I didn`t mean to offend you or your society,and will obviously not ever mention the fact that the CAA,are not perfect,and you can go back to your perfect world,knowing that your o.k Jack!!,in the confidence that your governing body has the sun shining out of its a"£$e.Im asking for constructive comments not,"Tough,get on with it comments".You do not know me,and you have no idea how many hoops iv`e jumped through to get this far!!!!
Of course i forget your be the sort of chap who is 1% away from passing everything and waiting for the issue of a cpl ir frozen atpl,but will brush yourself down,and go and do another 14 exams"I DON`T THINK SO".You would be fighting tooth and nail like the rest of us
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I feel for you mate. If it transpires that you go for the ATPL exams, and I hope you are spared that, and the CAA exempt you from an approved course then you can have my JAR-ATPL notes, once I'm thru with them.
Obviously you want to avoid this rigamarole but it seems all I could offer to assist.
I feel for you mate. If it transpires that you go for the ATPL exams, and I hope you are spared that, and the CAA exempt you from an approved course then you can have my JAR-ATPL notes, once I'm thru with them.
Obviously you want to avoid this rigamarole but it seems all I could offer to assist.
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Being that I failed a couple of JAA exams recently by 2%. I have to say the last thing you need is people saying "All it takes is hardwork blah blah - you only have your self to blame blah blah", especially if you worked as hard as you could.
I thought the purpose of this website was to help, advise and encourage each other not "I told you so".
Some people are naturally better in exams than others - Lucky You - I am not one of them and have to say that smart arse comments about getting 100% or passing all first time makes you a better pilot are **** (you can fill in the blanks).
My Uncle flew for BA until he retired infact at one point was involved in the recruitment of cadets. GUESS WHAT - he sat his exams (albeit under the old system) the MAX number of times possible before passing.
I thought the purpose of this website was to help, advise and encourage each other not "I told you so".
Some people are naturally better in exams than others - Lucky You - I am not one of them and have to say that smart arse comments about getting 100% or passing all first time makes you a better pilot are **** (you can fill in the blanks).
My Uncle flew for BA until he retired infact at one point was involved in the recruitment of cadets. GUESS WHAT - he sat his exams (albeit under the old system) the MAX number of times possible before passing.
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Rocketboots I understand your frustration, I had the same problem with my Nav's and got 74% on my last go at Met, had to do the lot again, stop moaning and get your head in the books, seems to me you spend to much time on your computer writing to other PPruners, GET ON WITH IT AND STOP MOANING!!.
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Didn't mean to offend you, just tried to get you to focus on passing your exams, I like everyone else cannot fix this for you, you need to talk to Gatwick or get you head down and do what ever it takes to get your dream, and stop feeling sorry for yourself.
I never kick someone when there down, sorry if it felt like I did.
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I never kick someone when there down, sorry if it felt like I did.
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Under the old system, I too failed to secure a partial for at my first attempt with the navs. It hurts, it's depressing and very costly but I started all over again. Today it doesn't matter anymore and to be fair my past and imminent employer didn't care much about it.
A mate of mine was under the even older system where you had to take the CPL's first. Things changed and he had to then do the ATPL's as the CPL became irrelevant. It was unfair and certainly not the way he had planned it. Still, he got himself together and went for it. He flies a 75 and couldn't care less about what happened few years ago, although he was seriously affected and upset by the situation.
What about this guy who was serving in Bosnia when his exams ran out. Tried to get an extension from the CAA and failed to achieve it. Unfair but that's how it goes for many.
Don't get me wrong, I do hope you will succeed in your deal but don't expect too much and (unfortunately) get back to work.
Someone mentioned the fact that the post on this thread lacked of encouragement.
Not quite, I think some of us have been through that and did share their experience even the unpleasant ones.
Good Luck Anyway
A mate of mine was under the even older system where you had to take the CPL's first. Things changed and he had to then do the ATPL's as the CPL became irrelevant. It was unfair and certainly not the way he had planned it. Still, he got himself together and went for it. He flies a 75 and couldn't care less about what happened few years ago, although he was seriously affected and upset by the situation.
What about this guy who was serving in Bosnia when his exams ran out. Tried to get an extension from the CAA and failed to achieve it. Unfair but that's how it goes for many.
Don't get me wrong, I do hope you will succeed in your deal but don't expect too much and (unfortunately) get back to work.
Someone mentioned the fact that the post on this thread lacked of encouragement.
Not quite, I think some of us have been through that and did share their experience even the unpleasant ones.
Good Luck Anyway
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Sorry to wade into you me old mate,just that the wife,kids etc,are taking this preety bad,probably worse than i am.Its just that wev`e all sacrafised an awfull lot to get to this stage,and doing it all again isn`t a option for us.If i was single,had money, then hey!,you can get your head round it and go again,but i hear what your`e saying.
Sorry to wade into you me old mate,just that the wife,kids etc,are taking this preety bad,probably worse than i am.Its just that wev`e all sacrafised an awfull lot to get to this stage,and doing it all again isn`t a option for us.If i was single,had money, then hey!,you can get your head round it and go again,but i hear what your`e saying.
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Rocketboots!
Know exactly how you feel. I missed one of two exams last month by 3%. My fault I know - however can't quite handle the idea of chucking it all in now. Certainly won't be able to afford to start the ground exams again. There are of couple of people I know in the same predicament and all we want is to be allowed the sittings that we would normally be entitled to. They should not have let people in the system if they wern't prepared to see them through that system. There are an awful lot of people that I know of who were allowed to join the UK exam system very late in the day. Obviously the CAA couldn't turn down the chance of squeezing more money out of us. I actually spoke to Alan Cole (Head of Examinations) last month and he said that there were 250 people still left in the system. I imagine that a fairly large number of those people did not manage to pass all the exams in June. Surely there is something we can do collectively. If I come up with anything or hear any news I'll let you know. In the meantime I'll keep an eye on this forum. Chin up!!
Know exactly how you feel. I missed one of two exams last month by 3%. My fault I know - however can't quite handle the idea of chucking it all in now. Certainly won't be able to afford to start the ground exams again. There are of couple of people I know in the same predicament and all we want is to be allowed the sittings that we would normally be entitled to. They should not have let people in the system if they wern't prepared to see them through that system. There are an awful lot of people that I know of who were allowed to join the UK exam system very late in the day. Obviously the CAA couldn't turn down the chance of squeezing more money out of us. I actually spoke to Alan Cole (Head of Examinations) last month and he said that there were 250 people still left in the system. I imagine that a fairly large number of those people did not manage to pass all the exams in June. Surely there is something we can do collectively. If I come up with anything or hear any news I'll let you know. In the meantime I'll keep an eye on this forum. Chin up!!
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In Feb 1999 I was warning people on this forum that unless they took the CAA ATPL exams ASAP then they were indanger of being cut off by the deadline. The deadline then got moved back no less the 4 times making me look stupid.
There were always going to be some poor people who got caught out by the final final this time its for real deadline. Unfortunately its you.
If I were in charge I wouldn't concede to your letters. Harsh I know - Hell I am the champion of Wananbes everywhere, but you've got to establish a cut - off somewhere and there is little else the authoity could have done to publicise the event much as I hate to side with the CAA...
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There were always going to be some poor people who got caught out by the final final this time its for real deadline. Unfortunately its you.
If I were in charge I wouldn't concede to your letters. Harsh I know - Hell I am the champion of Wananbes everywhere, but you've got to establish a cut - off somewhere and there is little else the authoity could have done to publicise the event much as I hate to side with the CAA...
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