Instrument Ratings at Professional Air Training?
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Aviation Chick,
All of those who have done their IR at PAT and contributed to this thread (seven including me) have recommended it. The only person who seems to be suggesting that they are not as good as another Bournemouth school does not appear to have yet completed a PPL. If you are at the stage where you can commence IR training, I'm sure you can form your own conclusions from this. . .(Pub gossip vs first-hand experience).
I too, must confirm the excellence of Steve's sim training at PAT and like everyone else he has trained, I hope he is soon back "island hopping".
Finally, good luck with the IR. The feeling when you get a pass is impossible to put into words.. . . .-------------------------. .Note to Cheshire Cat: I think your claims about BFC on this and other threads are reducing rather than enhancing the credibility of BFC.
All of those who have done their IR at PAT and contributed to this thread (seven including me) have recommended it. The only person who seems to be suggesting that they are not as good as another Bournemouth school does not appear to have yet completed a PPL. If you are at the stage where you can commence IR training, I'm sure you can form your own conclusions from this. . .(Pub gossip vs first-hand experience).
I too, must confirm the excellence of Steve's sim training at PAT and like everyone else he has trained, I hope he is soon back "island hopping".
Finally, good luck with the IR. The feeling when you get a pass is impossible to put into words.. . . .-------------------------. .Note to Cheshire Cat: I think your claims about BFC on this and other threads are reducing rather than enhancing the credibility of BFC.
Hi all,. .I completed my IR there in June 2000, and cannot recommend PAT enough. As arduous and nerve- racking as the IR can be, Mark, Steve and Anthony made the whole experience as pleasurable as it can possibly be. Lynn in the office was also a great help. I know that there was a bit of a backlog of CPL students around May when I was there but this was due to a combination of waiting for the second Sierra to come online and the weather. As far as the IR goes, availability of A/C or instructors was never a problem and I personally flew 3 trips a day in the sim, 1 trip everyday in the A/C plus a back seat every day (never underestimate what you can learn while back- seating). Steve has, in my opinion, got to be the most encouraging and proficient sim instructor around. (Steve- if you read this I hope your medical gets cleared soon and you are back flying around your beloved Alderney!). Before the IR, I had a phobia of the hold, due to IR rated pilots I know telling me how hard it was to learn. After 5 minutes, Steve had me so comfortable in the hold that I could have stayed there all day! The same goes for those NDB approaches. Mark is also one of natures true gentlemen, and out there in the aircraft I got the same excellent standard of training that Steve gave me in the sim. As Mark said "as soon as I've stopped you from chasing that ADF needle and over correcting on the approaches, then you'll be ready for test". With his wealth of experience, Mark can show you IFR flying techniques up there that will make the whole thing seem easier than what you thought it would be.
I think that the difference between an average instructor and an excellent instructor is the ability to quickly assess how an individual student learns (ie. thought process) and tailor the tuition appropriately. The guys at PAT have the ability to teach the same thing a number of different ways just in case you don't "get it" first time. Standard of the Duchess' are excellent.
And who cares if you have to pay a little more at PAT (if this is the case at all). As with everything in life, you get what you paid for. Sometimes signing up at a school merely on price is a false economy because it just may be that the A/C are substandard, or the instructors are only interested in the hours and don't have the inclination/ experience to have the ability to teach the hard stuff in a mutitude of ways. Thus it is easy to (and many do) go over the course hours. This eliminates the up front saving anyway. Thing about the IR test as well, is that you only want to do it once. The privelidge of going on test will cost 564 UKP, and another 5-600 for the aircraft hire. I finished up on hours with a first time pass at 260TT, so I couldn't have been happier.
No, I don't have any association with PAT apart from being a very happy and appreciatine customer who got the job done right, first time.
So that makes it 8 out of 8.
Cheers all, Gearupandorrf
I think that the difference between an average instructor and an excellent instructor is the ability to quickly assess how an individual student learns (ie. thought process) and tailor the tuition appropriately. The guys at PAT have the ability to teach the same thing a number of different ways just in case you don't "get it" first time. Standard of the Duchess' are excellent.
And who cares if you have to pay a little more at PAT (if this is the case at all). As with everything in life, you get what you paid for. Sometimes signing up at a school merely on price is a false economy because it just may be that the A/C are substandard, or the instructors are only interested in the hours and don't have the inclination/ experience to have the ability to teach the hard stuff in a mutitude of ways. Thus it is easy to (and many do) go over the course hours. This eliminates the up front saving anyway. Thing about the IR test as well, is that you only want to do it once. The privelidge of going on test will cost 564 UKP, and another 5-600 for the aircraft hire. I finished up on hours with a first time pass at 260TT, so I couldn't have been happier.
No, I don't have any association with PAT apart from being a very happy and appreciatine customer who got the job done right, first time.
So that makes it 8 out of 8.
Cheers all, Gearupandorrf
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Dear Cheshire Cat,
May I agree with QNH1013 that all students who have been to PAT fully support the place and rightly so. I am not really impressed by your credentials as you mention them in another thread (see below).
[quote] <hr></blockquote>Cheshire cat EGHH . .Just another number
Member # 39513 . . posted 11 February 2002 19:29 . .--------------------------------------------------------------------------------. .I work in Bournemouth flying club ( the bar next door to the school). .Which ironicaly, has sod all to do with the flying school next door!... did try and get a discount, but didn't work!
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BTW my spelling is always ****t so dont bother correcting me on it, as I know!
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I have flown at both BFC and PAT and yes there are some excellent instructors at both. The main difference is that at PAT they only teach commercial pilots, period. And they do an excellent job at it as well.
I found that while BFC is a nice place it has a different feel to it and even if they chance their name they still have the good old flying club feel to it. The Bar makes that feeling even worse even though it is run seperately.
The point you have to appreciate is that when one works for an airport then the other airport is always crap. If one works for an airline than the on-time performance of the other airline is always worse, and when one works for a flying school than the other school is always worse. (except fort salaries which always seem to be better at other places.)
You refer to this being a rumour network. Yes but up to an extend. A lot of our would be collueges who are about to part of thousands of pounds want to make a proper decision and this thread can help them to make a decision. Your one sided view of the north east side of the airport does not help the argument. The one thing that helps your fellow aviatiors is your experience at a particular school good or bad and share that information.
May I agree with QNH1013 that all students who have been to PAT fully support the place and rightly so. I am not really impressed by your credentials as you mention them in another thread (see below).
[quote] <hr></blockquote>Cheshire cat EGHH . .Just another number
Member # 39513 . . posted 11 February 2002 19:29 . .--------------------------------------------------------------------------------. .I work in Bournemouth flying club ( the bar next door to the school). .Which ironicaly, has sod all to do with the flying school next door!... did try and get a discount, but didn't work!
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BTW my spelling is always ****t so dont bother correcting me on it, as I know!
. .--------------------------------------------------------------------------------. .From: Bournemouth, dorset | Registered: Aug 2001 | IP: Logged
I have flown at both BFC and PAT and yes there are some excellent instructors at both. The main difference is that at PAT they only teach commercial pilots, period. And they do an excellent job at it as well.
I found that while BFC is a nice place it has a different feel to it and even if they chance their name they still have the good old flying club feel to it. The Bar makes that feeling even worse even though it is run seperately.
The point you have to appreciate is that when one works for an airport then the other airport is always crap. If one works for an airline than the on-time performance of the other airline is always worse, and when one works for a flying school than the other school is always worse. (except fort salaries which always seem to be better at other places.)
You refer to this being a rumour network. Yes but up to an extend. A lot of our would be collueges who are about to part of thousands of pounds want to make a proper decision and this thread can help them to make a decision. Your one sided view of the north east side of the airport does not help the argument. The one thing that helps your fellow aviatiors is your experience at a particular school good or bad and share that information.
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Note to ex-PAT IR students:
I've just spoken to Steve at PAT this morning and passed on all your good wishes because he doesn't have internet access.. .He thanks you all and says that the CAA have told him they won't tell him the result for another ten weeks !
I've just spoken to Steve at PAT this morning and passed on all your good wishes because he doesn't have internet access.. .He thanks you all and says that the CAA have told him they won't tell him the result for another ten weeks !
