Instrument Flying by David Hoy
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Instrument Flying by David Hoy
Instrument Flying by David Hoy
Does anyone know if there is any where in the uk with copies of the above book still in stock?, or anyone with an old copy that will sell it to me? It has been discontinued since last Sept and I am trying to get a copy.
Alternatively anyone reccomend a book that is equally as good?
Cheers
Does anyone know if there is any where in the uk with copies of the above book still in stock?, or anyone with an old copy that will sell it to me? It has been discontinued since last Sept and I am trying to get a copy.
Alternatively anyone reccomend a book that is equally as good?
Cheers
.....I was waiting for someone on a flight, honest, I am not a spotter honest, please believe me!
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Thanks for the info, I have been on the phone to Gatwick for the 20 mins or so now, automated answer service etc, finally spoke to an operator who gave me a phone number that is not in use!!
Do you remember what terminal you were in? or even the actual name of the bookshop, or other useful info as it seems imposssible to get a sensible answer out of the phone/information system down there.
Cheers
Do you remember what terminal you were in? or even the actual name of the bookshop, or other useful info as it seems imposssible to get a sensible answer out of the phone/information system down there.
Cheers
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Hi Skyfarmer,
David Hoys book is well worth seeking out but do you already have the CAA IR book? If not, you certainly need to get a copy. It covers all the details of the test, including test standards, limits, and common reasons for failure. It is certainly worth having.
I assume your training organisation has a copy but if you are training for the IR the nice people at Flight Crew Licensing will send you a copy free-of-charge.
The full (rather catchy) title is:
Standard Document 1, Version 2. Notes for the guidance of applicants taking the initial instrument rating flight test (aeroplanes).
I suppose its not really free, its a loss-leader to get you to sign up for the £564 flight test. Good luck, I hope you find it easier than I did!
David Hoys book is well worth seeking out but do you already have the CAA IR book? If not, you certainly need to get a copy. It covers all the details of the test, including test standards, limits, and common reasons for failure. It is certainly worth having.
I assume your training organisation has a copy but if you are training for the IR the nice people at Flight Crew Licensing will send you a copy free-of-charge.
The full (rather catchy) title is:
Standard Document 1, Version 2. Notes for the guidance of applicants taking the initial instrument rating flight test (aeroplanes).
I suppose its not really free, its a loss-leader to get you to sign up for the £564 flight test. Good luck, I hope you find it easier than I did!
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From: Springfield
When I was looking to do my IR, I tried to get hold of a copy of the David Hoy book, I was told it was out of print till mid June/July this year. They said it was being updated. Have you tried AFE or Transair, or try getting the ISBN number and looking on Amazon books website? (Sorry I don't have the ISBN) 
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Try www.srg.caa.co.uk
this is the link for the IR information leaflet that you can download.
[ 29 July 2001: Message edited by: BmPilot21 ]
this is the link for the IR information leaflet that you can download.
[ 29 July 2001: Message edited by: BmPilot21 ]
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It is out of print - as it is being revised for JAR. The old copy is available from the library - cos I went to my local library and they got it sent down to me from Aylesbury.
To be honest, having just completed the IR, I didn't find the books very much help - the schools teach it differently.
Best tips I can give you:
- study the IFR charts
- study the approach plates (really understand what they are saying...e.g. look at Exeter ILS plate and see if you can spot the 4 major differences that approach has)
- get the a/c checklist and learn it
- practice on a Flight Sim, using the checklist at the same time.
All of this was much more useful than the book, although I read through it 5-6 times.
Good luck!
To be honest, having just completed the IR, I didn't find the books very much help - the schools teach it differently.
Best tips I can give you:
- study the IFR charts
- study the approach plates (really understand what they are saying...e.g. look at Exeter ILS plate and see if you can spot the 4 major differences that approach has)
- get the a/c checklist and learn it
- practice on a Flight Sim, using the checklist at the same time.
All of this was much more useful than the book, although I read through it 5-6 times.
Good luck!
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I saw the book up in the South Terminal viewing gallery. All I know is that it is the spotters haven - I know not the name of the shop. There were actually guys with headsets and laptops tracking flights and stuff and writing down registrations. I reckon they had better info than ATC!!!! 
I would have checked in with them to find out when the flight I was waiting for was due but I didn't really want to have to wipe off their enthusiasm afterwards
Have you got that book yet or what?
I would have checked in with them to find out when the flight I was waiting for was due but I didn't really want to have to wipe off their enthusiasm afterwards
Have you got that book yet or what?
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From: Jersey
Thanks all,
Finally managed to track down a copy through a Waterstones shop in Leeds, they had a copy in a London branch. It should be with me this morning.
Thanks for the link for the CAA IR guidance notes, I did have a copy printed out from a while back, but it has now been revised. Version 3.
Post has just this minute arrived, and I have just been handed the parcel, looks like it has arrived. Either the book or the CPL has arrived back from the CAA. No not the license, it is the book.
Thanks again all,
Finally managed to track down a copy through a Waterstones shop in Leeds, they had a copy in a London branch. It should be with me this morning.
Thanks for the link for the CAA IR guidance notes, I did have a copy printed out from a while back, but it has now been revised. Version 3.
Post has just this minute arrived, and I have just been handed the parcel, looks like it has arrived. Either the book or the CPL has arrived back from the CAA. No not the license, it is the book.
Thanks again all,
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From: Jersey
I have just opened a second letter from www.exedra.co.uk, booksearch. They have found me a copy, £38. The one from from Waterstones was £20 + p&p
I did try Transair, Pilot warehouse, Pooleys, amazon etc. no luck
I did try Transair, Pilot warehouse, Pooleys, amazon etc. no luck
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http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/pld/fcl/fcl...sp?category=12
Is the menu page for the docs.
It is a crap site though, I imagine you tried to find it first but gave up?. I spent a good 20 mins this morning using a 512k connection and eventually gave up. Luckily some one came in who knew where it was. Even using the sites built in search engine could not find it! It might have been easier phoning them.... Only joking
Is the menu page for the docs.
It is a crap site though, I imagine you tried to find it first but gave up?. I spent a good 20 mins this morning using a 512k connection and eventually gave up. Luckily some one came in who knew where it was. Even using the sites built in search engine could not find it! It might have been easier phoning them.... Only joking
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Sky Farmer
Spoke to David Hoy about your predicament and the book is definately out of circulation with no plans for updating at the present time. The library apparently is your only hope! Why do you want to buy a book that is out of date anyway?
DJ
Spoke to David Hoy about your predicament and the book is definately out of circulation with no plans for updating at the present time. The library apparently is your only hope! Why do you want to buy a book that is out of date anyway?
DJ
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From: Jersey
It was recommended to me as a book worth getting. Managed to get a copy from Waterstones, they had one left in stock. The principles involved are the same regardless of the accuracy of the CAp54 stuff in the back
Does David say if/when a new version is coming out?
Neil
Does David say if/when a new version is coming out?
Neil
