Method of converting FAA to JAA
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Method of converting FAA to JAA
Just came across an interesting ad in Pilot Magazine, an eastern European school offering to convert FAA licences to their national licence with a short conversion course, and then on to a JAA licence.
For those of you that have FAA licences, it might be worth looking out for this.
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Mutt.
For those of you that have FAA licences, it might be worth looking out for this.
Cheers
Mutt.
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Mutt
thats very intersting indeed
i to would be very grateful for the web address
please email me
many thanks
that would be grate and very kind of you
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Wild Lion
thats very intersting indeed
i to would be very grateful for the web address
please email me
many thanks
that would be grate and very kind of you
Cheers
Wild Lion
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Just a little confused
Are you talking of converting a FAA PPL or CPL to JAR.
If it is the PPL that is straight forward and don't understand why anyone would want to go to Eastern Europe when you can do it at home after passing two writtens and a flight test.
Now if you are talking CPL/ATPL..........
Are you talking of converting a FAA PPL or CPL to JAR.
If it is the PPL that is straight forward and don't understand why anyone would want to go to Eastern Europe when you can do it at home after passing two writtens and a flight test.
Now if you are talking CPL/ATPL..........
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FNFP,
I refer you to the blurb concering this forum.....
For those aspiring to join our fraternity of professional aviators with the best view in the house or getting a job that beats working for a living. Please use the 'Private Flying' forum for initial PPL issues, hours building and anything that is not
I didn't think that this was the home of PPL discussions.
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I refer you to the blurb concering this forum.....
For those aspiring to join our fraternity of professional aviators with the best view in the house or getting a job that beats working for a living. Please use the 'Private Flying' forum for initial PPL issues, hours building and anything that is not
I didn't think that this was the home of PPL discussions.
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czech faa/jaa conversion
hi,..i saw the same advert as mutt in pilot magazine as i am a holder of an faa commercial i was interested.i contacted the uk agent for the school which is czech and it turns out the advert was printed before they'd checked their facts properly.aparently last year someone went to portugal with an faa commercial did a quick conversion to portugese licence and was granted an automatic jaa licence.this school thought they could do the same but it turns out the jaa powers that be have closed the loophole and it cant be done anymore....sorry
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Thanks for that!
The one thing that i surprised me about this topic is that no-one has quoted a JAR to me! There is a section in FCL-1 which deals with conversion of foreign licenses, it states that the conversion is only valid for flying that NATIONS aircraft and it cant be used for the grant of a JAA licence. The JAR's are downloadable from www.jaa.nl and should be read before anyone considers spending money in the USA.
Its a bit late now, but with the permission of Scroggs, here is the aforementioned URL.
www.powered-flight.czech-trek.co.uk
Cheers
Mutt.
Thanks for that!
The one thing that i surprised me about this topic is that no-one has quoted a JAR to me! There is a section in FCL-1 which deals with conversion of foreign licenses, it states that the conversion is only valid for flying that NATIONS aircraft and it cant be used for the grant of a JAA licence. The JAR's are downloadable from www.jaa.nl and should be read before anyone considers spending money in the USA.
Its a bit late now, but with the permission of Scroggs, here is the aforementioned URL.
www.powered-flight.czech-trek.co.uk
Cheers
Mutt.
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Thanks Griv,
Thats why I wanted people to discuss the JAR's, it certainly helps me understanding them.
I believe that it applies to both cases and is covered in JAR-FCL 1.015 (b) for validations and (c) for conversions.
In the section on conversions it states: Other member states shall not be obliged to accept any such licences. IMHO this means that the licence is only valid in that nations aircraft.
Am I right?
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Mutt.
Thats why I wanted people to discuss the JAR's, it certainly helps me understanding them.
I believe that it applies to both cases and is covered in JAR-FCL 1.015 (b) for validations and (c) for conversions.
In the section on conversions it states: Other member states shall not be obliged to accept any such licences. IMHO this means that the licence is only valid in that nations aircraft.
Am I right?
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Now you're getting technical mutt!
Validation - can't be accepted by other states (1.015b). It is only valid for that 'state' registered aircraft. You can't transfer a validation.
Conversion issued on the basis of agreement between two regulators (FAA/CAA) - doesn't have to be accepted by other states (1.015c)
Conversion issued by being given credit for previous experience and licences - is accepted by other states (1.016)
My personal grievance (and plenty more others) is the insistance by the CAA that experienced single-pilot IFR drivers are required to complete a 50 hour IF course. CAA have the ability to 'reduce the course duration, number of lessons and specific training' under 1.016 which they do for the issue of a CPL but refuse to do for an IR. Some people call it protectionist - I call it plain and simple stupidity!
Validation - can't be accepted by other states (1.015b). It is only valid for that 'state' registered aircraft. You can't transfer a validation.
Conversion issued on the basis of agreement between two regulators (FAA/CAA) - doesn't have to be accepted by other states (1.015c)
Conversion issued by being given credit for previous experience and licences - is accepted by other states (1.016)
My personal grievance (and plenty more others) is the insistance by the CAA that experienced single-pilot IFR drivers are required to complete a 50 hour IF course. CAA have the ability to 'reduce the course duration, number of lessons and specific training' under 1.016 which they do for the issue of a CPL but refuse to do for an IR. Some people call it protectionist - I call it plain and simple stupidity!
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Things may be changing in the future, this is copied from the JAA website from the second amendment to JAR-FCL3 it is obviously what willbe in the upcoming ammendment to JAR-FCL1.
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JAR–FCL 3.015 Acceptance of licences,
.
(1) A [professional pilot] licence
[and/or IR] issued by a non-JAA State may be
converted to a JAR–FCL licence provided that
an arrangement exists between the JAA and the
non-JAA State. This arrangement shall be
established on the basis of reciprocity of licence
acceptance and shall ensure that an equivalent
level of safety exists between the training and
testing requirements of the JAA and the non-
JAA State. Any arrangement entered into will
be reviewed periodically, as agreed by the non-
JAA State and the JAA. A licence converted
according to such an arrangement shall have an
entry indicating the non-JAA State upon which
the conversion is based. Other Member States
shall not be obliged to accept any such licence.
[(2) A private pilot licence issued by a
non-JAA State may be converted to a JAR-FCL
licence with single-pilot aeroplane class/type
ratings by complying with the requirements
shown in Appendix 2 to JAR-FCL 1.015.]
[Amdt. 2, 01.06.02]
JAR-FCL 3.016 Credit given to a holder
of a licence issued by a
non-JAA Member State
[(a)] An applicant for a JAR-FCL licence and
IR, if applicable, already holding at least an
equivalent licence issued in accordance with ICAO
Annex 1 by a non-JAA State shall meet all the
requirements of JAR-FCL, except the requirements
of course duration, number of lessons and specific
training hours may be reduced.
The Authority may be guided as to the credits
to be granted on the basis of a recommendation
from an appropriate training organisation.
[(b) The holder of an ATPL(A) issued in
accordance with ICAO Annex 1 who meets the
1 500 flying experience requirements on multipilot
aeroplanes as PIC or co-pilot of Appendix 1
to JAR-FCL 1.015 may be exempted from the
requirements to undergo approved training prior to
undertaking the theoretical knowledge
examinations and the skill test, if that licence
contains a valid multi-pilot type rating for the
aeroplane to be used for the ATPL(A) skill test.]
[Amdt.1, 01.12.00; Amdt. 2, 01.06.02]
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JAR–FCL 3.015 Acceptance of licences,
.
(1) A [professional pilot] licence
[and/or IR] issued by a non-JAA State may be
converted to a JAR–FCL licence provided that
an arrangement exists between the JAA and the
non-JAA State. This arrangement shall be
established on the basis of reciprocity of licence
acceptance and shall ensure that an equivalent
level of safety exists between the training and
testing requirements of the JAA and the non-
JAA State. Any arrangement entered into will
be reviewed periodically, as agreed by the non-
JAA State and the JAA. A licence converted
according to such an arrangement shall have an
entry indicating the non-JAA State upon which
the conversion is based. Other Member States
shall not be obliged to accept any such licence.
[(2) A private pilot licence issued by a
non-JAA State may be converted to a JAR-FCL
licence with single-pilot aeroplane class/type
ratings by complying with the requirements
shown in Appendix 2 to JAR-FCL 1.015.]
[Amdt. 2, 01.06.02]
JAR-FCL 3.016 Credit given to a holder
of a licence issued by a
non-JAA Member State
[(a)] An applicant for a JAR-FCL licence and
IR, if applicable, already holding at least an
equivalent licence issued in accordance with ICAO
Annex 1 by a non-JAA State shall meet all the
requirements of JAR-FCL, except the requirements
of course duration, number of lessons and specific
training hours may be reduced.
The Authority may be guided as to the credits
to be granted on the basis of a recommendation
from an appropriate training organisation.
[(b) The holder of an ATPL(A) issued in
accordance with ICAO Annex 1 who meets the
1 500 flying experience requirements on multipilot
aeroplanes as PIC or co-pilot of Appendix 1
to JAR-FCL 1.015 may be exempted from the
requirements to undergo approved training prior to
undertaking the theoretical knowledge
examinations and the skill test, if that licence
contains a valid multi-pilot type rating for the
aeroplane to be used for the ATPL(A) skill test.]
[Amdt.1, 01.12.00; Amdt. 2, 01.06.02]
