Expired IR on Jar License advice needed!

[nuclear weapon]

Hi Guys
My UK Jar Atpl license is still valid but the Dash8 IR expired in 10th february 2012 making it three years in 2015 february. This same Dash8 IR is still valid on an icao license from which I transferred the rating years ago. Now I am not too bothered about losing the dash8 rating as I am about to start an EASA course on a brand new jet type in the same febuary 2015 (first week) . What will I need to renew the IR again in order to convert the UK jar license to EASA with the new rating and IR. Can I renew the IR at the same time as I am doing the type rating course or the ATO can renew my IR before embarking on the course on the simulator?
I know I will need a medical and English prof certificate.
Your replies will be appreciated.

[plikee]

No.

EASA rules say:

'RENEWAL OF INSTRUMENT RATING: REFRESHER TRAINING
(a) Paragraph (b)(1) of FCL.740 determines that if the instrument rating has lapsed, the applicant shall go through refresher training at an ATO, to reach the level of proficiency needed to pass the instrument element of the skill test prescribed in Appendix 9 to Part-FCL. The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO, taking into account the following factors:
(1) the experience of the applicant. To determine this, the ATO should evaluate the pilot’s log book, and, if necessary, conduct a test in an FSTD.
(2) the amount of time lapsed since the expiry of the validity period of the rating. The amount of training needed to reach the desired level of proficiency should increase with the time lapsed. In some cases, after evaluating the pilot, and when the time lapsed is very limited (less than 3 months), the ATO may even determine that no further refresher training is necessary. The following may be taken as guidance when determining the needs of the applicant:
(i) expiry for a period shorter than 3 months: no supplementary requirements;
(ii) expiry for longer than 3 months but shorter than 1 year: a minimum of one training session;
(iii) expiry for longer than 1 year but shorter than 7 years: a minimum of three training sessions;
(iv) expiry for longer than 7 years: the applicant should undergo the full training course for the issue of the IR.
(b) Once the ATO has determined the needs of the applicant, it should develop an individual training programme, which should be based on the initial training for the issue of instrument ratings and focus on the aspects where the applicant has shown the greatest needs.
(c) After successful completion of the training, the ATO should give a certificate to the applicant, to be submitted to the competent authority when applying for the renewal.'

So if you want to renew it, you must to at least 3 sessions, so you can't renew it straight away in the SIM. Also if you have done last time in the SIM you must renew it in the a/c, so if you got your MEP expired as well, you have to renew it with 3 sessions as well, plus the skill test, assuming it was expired 3 years ago too.

In few words, prepare to spend £5000 or more

[Klimax]

However, IF you are going to do an initial type rating on the ME jet, as you say, surely that will include more than 3 simulator session. Also I believe the UK actually has an exemption regarding the IR currency, saying in the lines of, that IF you keep your IR current on a third party licence (basically recognised ICAO licence) then all you have to do an LPC including the IR renewal. Look it up in CAP 804.

[nuclear weapon]

I have read it in several places on this forum that for your second or subsequent type ratings you don't need a current MEIR to start it. Even on CAE website it says specifically that your MEiR has to be current if it is your first type rating.

[BillieBob]

So if you want to renew it, you must to at least 3 sessions

Not true. The amount of refresher training is entirely at the discretion of the ATO.

Also if you have done last time in the SIM you must renew it in the a/c

Also not true - the OP is talking about an MPA type rating.

Also I believe the UK actually has an exemption regarding the IR currency

Not a UK exemption, this is the case throughout Europe.

What will I need to renew the IR again in order to convert the UK jar license to EASA with the new rating and IR

Nothing. You already hold an EASA licence as all JAA licences are deemed to be EASA licences. The IR will be renewed as part of the type rating course, on completion of which you can apply for the new design EASA licence with the new type and renewed IR included.

[nuclear weapon]

Thanks a lot billiebob I just called the chief instructor of one of the centres we use and he confirmed that if it your second or subsequent type rating the meir can be renewed along with the new type rating as you will be doing a number of sessions. I wonder why the whole world (icao can't come together and make these things easier?).

[banjodrone]

"I wonder why the whole world (icao can't come together and make these things easier?)."

I used to wonder that too. They seem to be able to do international cooperation better in shipping and other marine matters though there's still a lot of work to be done. You would think aviation would have a much better handle on that than the maritime world but for some reason that's not the case. STCW-95 (Standards of Training, Certification and Watchkeeping) is a common set of international standards that have been in operation in merchant shipping for over 15 years. Remember that old saying that when you've exhausted every possible explanation and still can't figure out why something is the way it is, follow the money and you'll always get the answer.