Confused about rest of my training (ATPL Frozen FAA + EASA)

[shinigami]

Hi fellow aviators,

I am really confused how should i finish my training. My goal is to have easa frozen atpl license to apply for jobs in my country, Turkey.

I got FAA PPL and IR. I belive what is left is FAA CPL ME and atpl theory exams and some time buildings. Also easa conversion of IR and CPL.

After i got my ppl and ir, i had some flights too. By the way ppl and ir was on part 141. My total time is around 125hrs and PIC(local solo and xc solo) is 40.

How should i proceed for my remaining training? cheapest option will be better.

1. -finish atpl theory distance learning from home
-go to USA for time building.
-go to an flight school in europe to get directly easa cpl and convert IR.
This option costs around $40.000 with travel and expenses. Takes around 7-8 months.

2. finish everything in US with an easa certified school including atpl distance learning + faa cpl + conversions and everything.
I am not sure how much this will cost but it will take 1-2 months less than the first option.

What should i do?

[Transsonic2000]

2. finish everything in US with an easa certified school including atpl distance learning + faa cpl + conversions and everything.
I am not sure how much this will cost but it will take 1-2 months less than the first option.

That's probably the best way to go! That's how I'd would do it, If I'd be you, and remember time is money! The faster you get it done the sooner you can apply for a job. Good luck!

[shinigami]

Thanks you for the reply, that is what i belive too but i could not find a school that can help me with my situation right now. Since my training was in part 141, continuing my education in another school might be a little complicated. Do you recommend a good easa certified school in US?

edit: also , just found out i do not need to convert my faa licenses to easa, in my country i can convert to JAR which needs less flight time and money compared to easa. But i have to get CPL/MEL/IR in order to do that. i need to find a good and cheap school in US.

[Transsonic2000]

European Flight Training

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Ever considered Poland for flight training? Probably the most affordable prices for flight training within Euroland, prices are comparable to the US.

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[shinigami]

I will definetly check those schools. But what i do not understand is when i check the school in poland they have atpl course program which is 2.250 euro including exam fees and other things. The program is from bristol. But in bristols' website the program is 2.140 sterlin without exam fees, which is extra 1100 sterlin. How can that be?

[paco]

"edit: also , just found out i do not need to convert my faa licenses to easa, in my country i can convert to JAR which needs less flight time and money compared to easa. But i have to get CPL/MEL/IR in order to do that. i need to find a good and cheap school in US. "

JAA/JAR does not exist any more, since 2009. It is all EASA now.

[shinigami]

i have a question about FAA licenses. As i mentioned i have ppl and ir. Right now i need CPL/MEL/IR on part 141. I have sent mails to some schools, couple of them sent me back some programs. What i am confused is, i do not want CPL/MEL with single engine IR because they said after the program you will have multi engine cpl with ir. I do not want to be decieved. What exactly should i ask from schools?

[MarkerInbound]

There is no separate SE or ME IR in FAA land. That being said, your IR rating is not valid in a ME airplane unless you demonstrate 1. an engine failure under the hood and 2. an engine out IFR approach under the hood. I'm guessing your FAA certificate is PVT Airplane SEL Instrument Airplane. When you take your COMM checkride it will really be two checkrides, the COMM MEL checkride and the two maneuvers to grant you instrument privileges on you ME rating. You'll end up with a certificate that says COMM Airplane MEL PVT Airplane SEL Instrument Airplane.

[shinigami]

1. Thank you for the info, why i ask is that when i convert my licenses i need CPL/MEL/IR, that is what easa conversion schools ask for. By the way i decided to go with part 61 on cpl. At the end of the course when i have my multi engine cpl. if i fulfill those terms you said in a check ride, will i have my instrument rating added to cpl me or not? The main question is will i have CPL/MEL/IR to begin easa conversion? or will i have cpl/mel and ppl/ir?

2. Also please help me on this, since i'll go with part 61 on my cpl i need 250hrs of total time and 100hrs pic (50hrs xc at least)
-does 250hrs include training flight for cpl, i mean just before check ride is it enough for me to have 250hrs total?
-i had 15hrs of simulator while getting my IR, does these count in total 250hrs.
-after having 100hrs pic (at least 50hrs xc) and lets say my total is around 220, can i fill remaning 30 hrs with simulators?

thanks for your time.

[MarkerInbound]

Your IR is not tied to a level of certificate, only to a category and class of aircraft. There is no PVT IR or COMM IR. If you didn't add the two events to your MEL you would have a certificate that read COMM Airplane MEL, PVT Airplane SEL, IR Airplane, MEL Limited to VFR.

The 250 hours is total time so yes, Dual Received, PIC, Solo, it all counts. You can count up to 50 hours of sim or FTD time towards the 250 under 61 IF the sim or FTD represents the same class of aircraft as you are training for. Since (I'm guessing) you have a SEL PVT and an IR (again guessing) I'd think your sim was SEL and therefore won't count towards the 250 for a MEL rating. If you flew 30 hours in a MEL sim that would count towards the 250 TT.

[shinigami]

I understand but i'll get SE CPL and multi add-on, does my simulators count in that case.

[shinigami]

On the other hand the question of what type of visa should i get remains.
One of the school representative told me since my education will be complete in 1-2 months i can use my tourist visa. Is that true? This is what he sent me.

Here is a quote from the US State Department's web site which will explain:


"Enrollment in a short recreational course of study, which is not for credit toward a degree or academic certificate, is permitted on a visitor (B) visa."


If you want to read this for yourself, here is the URL: Student Visa


As long as the training is recreational in nature and not ab-initio training for a degree or an academic certificate, you may arrive with a tourist visa, but technically speaking, a tourist visa means that the purpose of your visit to the US is for tourism. Tourists often take courses for various activities such as scuba-diving for example, but the main purpose of their visit is for tourism.

[MarkerInbound]

Yes, if you're doing the COMM SEL first and your instrument training sim was a SEL class airplane you could take the checkride at 235.1 hours total time and add the 15 hours in the sim to get you over 250. And you then add on the MEL. It used to be common to do both checkrides together. You'd go out and do all the airwork and come back for the traffic pattern work. The examiner would fill out a COMM SEL temporary and then you'd crank up a twin and take it around the pattern, knowing you were going to lose an engine on takeoff. When you landed the Fed would take your 20 minute old certificate and hand you a COMM SEL/MEL.

I know nothing about visas. That being said, it seems a bit different to say you'll spend ten days on the beach and may spend one morning learning the basics of scuba diving. You're going to be here a month+ and go to the airport every day working on the COMM SEL/MEL. But again, I don't know anything about US visas.

[shinigami]

I really thank you every information you have given. Since the school representative is sure about visa situation, i have to trust him at the moment.

[shinigami]

For the atpl theory part, i have found 2 schools in Hungary called Pannon and Cavor Air, have you ever heard of these schools before?

[shinigami]

do you guys know if cessna 162 skycatcher is under microlight category or not? Because i am planning to do my time building with 162 and not sure if it is count as PIC time under EASA/JAR?

[Genghis the Engineer]

Originally Posted by shinigami

do you guys know if cessna 162 skycatcher is under microlight category or not? Because i am planning to do my time building with 162 and not sure if it is count as PIC time under EASA/JAR?

It isn't, and should be fine for both EASA and FAA hour building.

[shinigami]

much obliged.

[shinigami]

also if these were the conditions, which plane would you choose for your 80hr time building?

cessna 162 with g300 tax included wet price $113
cessna 152 tax included wet price $82

I am leaning to 162 because it is newer and glass cockpit. Also control stick(never tried before, might be fun)

[OhNoCB]

I think time building should be done cheaply in basic aircraft. I know of people who pay much more to use a C172 over a C152 because it's "newer, bigger and faster" which might be OK if it was distance building, but it's not.

If you really want to get some glass time and have a go with a stick, maybe do 5-10 hours in the 162, but I would lean towards keeping costs down for the majority. I have never been asked what aircraft I did my time building in.