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Look this is just a PERSONAL OPINION. I coudl well be wrong. But, if it were me just about to hand in my notice and bet the farm on a CPL/IR course next week (and I have a good friend who has just done this a fortnight ago - STRESS!!) I would stop.
I really would. And therefore, if anyone asks me directly, thats what I will tell them. Take from that what you will.
Initially I would wait 3 months to see how the fog of war clears. Inthat 3 months you can still probably do something constructive like add you your savings and study some manuals or checklists.
If things look OK by Christmas then go for it then. You've only lost 3 months of a 30odd year career probably.
What I worry about is a triple whammy:
1) Sudden drop in passenger numbers as a direct result of the WTC attack. Both leisure and business as economic uncertainty hovers.
2) The failure of a UK airline as we enter a hugely unstable period and the tradtional Autumn time when these things tend to happen most frequently. One airline failure usually supplies the demand for pilots for the best part of a year.
3) 850 odd Ansett pilots with the right to live in the UK might hove over the horizon as Oz and the Asian markets remain stagnant which would have the same effect as 2)
All three could conspire to give us 1991 all over again.
Hope not.
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I really would. And therefore, if anyone asks me directly, thats what I will tell them. Take from that what you will.
Initially I would wait 3 months to see how the fog of war clears. Inthat 3 months you can still probably do something constructive like add you your savings and study some manuals or checklists.
If things look OK by Christmas then go for it then. You've only lost 3 months of a 30odd year career probably.
What I worry about is a triple whammy:
1) Sudden drop in passenger numbers as a direct result of the WTC attack. Both leisure and business as economic uncertainty hovers.
2) The failure of a UK airline as we enter a hugely unstable period and the tradtional Autumn time when these things tend to happen most frequently. One airline failure usually supplies the demand for pilots for the best part of a year.
3) 850 odd Ansett pilots with the right to live in the UK might hove over the horizon as Oz and the Asian markets remain stagnant which would have the same effect as 2)
All three could conspire to give us 1991 all over again.
Hope not.
WWW
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I can confirm that British Midland have indeed cancelled their sponsorship scheme as of yesterday afternoon.
If you are not on a training course forget it. If you are in training then apparently there is not firm decision but training is to continue. I expect a repeat of what has gone before whereby new cadets are sent to work as Cabin Crew for a while or are sent to other operators for a spell.
Given that the centre plank of BMI's plans involved trans Atlantic services things do not look great for BMI future recruitment needs.
This wannabe recruitment crisis is developing very quickly.
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If you are not on a training course forget it. If you are in training then apparently there is not firm decision but training is to continue. I expect a repeat of what has gone before whereby new cadets are sent to work as Cabin Crew for a while or are sent to other operators for a spell.
Given that the centre plank of BMI's plans involved trans Atlantic services things do not look great for BMI future recruitment needs.
This wannabe recruitment crisis is developing very quickly.
WWW
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Dunno how true this rumour is, but have heard that the BA CEP scheme has been terminated and that all training has also been stopped. Hope it isnt true, but can anyone squash this rumour?
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It doesn't help Virgin that its transatlantic partner Continental is talking of going down the tubes! Maybe a probable fertilizer for the loss of Virgin jobs.
A source for Virgin tells me that all is not to worry - they are looking to offer early retirement and extended breaks for those wishing to take unpaid leave. They have a plan. At least it hasn't got to the stage of the US where the government is looking to involve a great deal of grant money (20 Billion mentioned) to stop the Airlines falling. That indicates big time problems in the industry for the government to be putting their hand in their pockets!
A source for Virgin tells me that all is not to worry - they are looking to offer early retirement and extended breaks for those wishing to take unpaid leave. They have a plan. At least it hasn't got to the stage of the US where the government is looking to involve a great deal of grant money (20 Billion mentioned) to stop the Airlines falling. That indicates big time problems in the industry for the government to be putting their hand in their pockets!
Hi all.
I rarely spend time in this forum, although recent events at my airline have increased my curiosity a little! I am slightly surprised by the quality of the discussion, as I honestly expected a small re-run of some of the threads I read here in the last year relating to foreign crews (and I include myself here) operating in the UK. I know WWW had a bit of a letter writing campaign a year or so ago about it.
I really don't think the issues involving Ansett will have that much of an effect on the UK market. As Reddo pointed out many will find employment in Australia once the industry restructures, many don't have access to working rights in the UK and of those who do many won't think the aggravation involved in moving to another country is really worth it.
It isn't easy to contemplate such a major move - especially in the current climate. Although my Grandmother provides me with a four year working visa to the UK, meeting the requirements for a permanent stay is difficult, and the cost involved in transferring to a JAA licence (as Reddo knows) is somewhat prohibitive.
One of the requirements to change a four year visa to a permanent stay is that the applicant remain employed throughout the initial four years. Now if it takes six months to a year to transfer my Oz licence to a JAA one - I don't know, even if I obtain immediate employment, I (or any other Australian in the same situation) could be considered to meet that requirement.
I have about 7300 hours total, 5400 of that on jet aircraft (about 500 on the 737 and 3700 on the BAe 146). I have had an indication from some friends in the UK that that experience makes me a strong candidate for UK airlines, however obtaining a position would be difficult, I would imagine, if I can only guarantee three to three and a half years to an operator before I am forced to leave the country.
Should a major operator in the UK go under (fingers crossed that doesn't happen) then the market in the UK may become so poor as to tip the balance against risking the time and money required for the move.
Now, this still requires a bit of research for me to even determine if the option is viable - so I really wouldn't worry about "hoards of Aussies" launching themselves upon the UK market.
[ 18 September 2001: Message edited by: Checkboard ]
I rarely spend time in this forum, although recent events at my airline have increased my curiosity a little! I am slightly surprised by the quality of the discussion, as I honestly expected a small re-run of some of the threads I read here in the last year relating to foreign crews (and I include myself here) operating in the UK. I know WWW had a bit of a letter writing campaign a year or so ago about it.
I really don't think the issues involving Ansett will have that much of an effect on the UK market. As Reddo pointed out many will find employment in Australia once the industry restructures, many don't have access to working rights in the UK and of those who do many won't think the aggravation involved in moving to another country is really worth it.
It isn't easy to contemplate such a major move - especially in the current climate. Although my Grandmother provides me with a four year working visa to the UK, meeting the requirements for a permanent stay is difficult, and the cost involved in transferring to a JAA licence (as Reddo knows) is somewhat prohibitive.
One of the requirements to change a four year visa to a permanent stay is that the applicant remain employed throughout the initial four years. Now if it takes six months to a year to transfer my Oz licence to a JAA one - I don't know, even if I obtain immediate employment, I (or any other Australian in the same situation) could be considered to meet that requirement.
I have about 7300 hours total, 5400 of that on jet aircraft (about 500 on the 737 and 3700 on the BAe 146). I have had an indication from some friends in the UK that that experience makes me a strong candidate for UK airlines, however obtaining a position would be difficult, I would imagine, if I can only guarantee three to three and a half years to an operator before I am forced to leave the country.
Should a major operator in the UK go under (fingers crossed that doesn't happen) then the market in the UK may become so poor as to tip the balance against risking the time and money required for the move.
Now, this still requires a bit of research for me to even determine if the option is viable - so I really wouldn't worry about "hoards of Aussies" launching themselves upon the UK market.
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What I don't understand is everyones determination to sit at the front of a big shiny tube with a television in front of them and to consider nothing else. Ace. Im sure the folks flying those F27's for Channex are very happy with their lot in life. Why do so many chaps who are new to the business reject these older types. Hell! £25,000/year to do something you love doing seems fair enough, at that point your still a junior. Lets hope the industry doesn't go down the pan, but whether it does or not an F27 sounds good to me.
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With three friends flying F27's for Channex. I would never belittle them or any other turbo pilot.
My point was that with job losses at the top end, with the major players. There will be some moderately qualified pilots filling those vacant seats below. Simply because they still love the job and can life on the salary ( after a couple of years as a Ba captain you must surely have paid your mortgage off ?????)
Yes there will still be jobs out there. But at least halved.
Any comments on this theory WWW
With three friends flying F27's for Channex. I would never belittle them or any other turbo pilot.
My point was that with job losses at the top end, with the major players. There will be some moderately qualified pilots filling those vacant seats below. Simply because they still love the job and can life on the salary ( after a couple of years as a Ba captain you must surely have paid your mortgage off ?????)
Yes there will still be jobs out there. But at least halved.
Any comments on this theory WWW
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Indeed. In the early 90's this happened a lot.
It seems that what we know at the moment is that BA and BMI have cancelled sponsorship. I cannot conceive at the moment that you'll be seeing sponsorship adverts this Autumn from Air2000 or Airtours.
For the moment - UK sponsorship is dead.
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It seems that what we know at the moment is that BA and BMI have cancelled sponsorship. I cannot conceive at the moment that you'll be seeing sponsorship adverts this Autumn from Air2000 or Airtours.
For the moment - UK sponsorship is dead.
WWW
