Learning to fly in the US
Joined: Apr 2001
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From: Yorkshire
WWW, where did you get your £500 conversion from?
Its either the usual instructors trying to grab some money back from guys who have trained abroad or people who are so naff they would have required some extra hours anyway.
I trained in the US and have had two 1 hours checkouts (white waltham & Bournemouth) and they have been very happy for me to take their planes since. It is typical of all the students I have leanred with in the US as well.
Really P1sses me off when instructors talk about US trained pilots being inferior - you should grow up and accept that there is a comparible standard over in the US even if it does take biz away from you - slagging it off will do no good!!!!!!
If you want to take this any further I can go into detail on the sort of flying I have done in the US but I can bet your bottom dollar (excuse the pun!) than it will blow the b0llocks off what is done in the UK (try Apache Gunships with myself and a mate of mine with Airforce 1! on his solo) and definitely cheaper - your figures are way off the mark - try £4500 for 2x2 flights to the US, momnths accomdation, all exams and 62.5 hours of flying!!!!
If you want to mess about at an untowered airport during your student PPL then fine, I did mine at a full towered, 5 active runway with full commercial traffic including the USAF! I think that when it comes to the nitty gritty someone who trained at a towered AP wil come off better!
I await your response!
Julian.
Its either the usual instructors trying to grab some money back from guys who have trained abroad or people who are so naff they would have required some extra hours anyway.
I trained in the US and have had two 1 hours checkouts (white waltham & Bournemouth) and they have been very happy for me to take their planes since. It is typical of all the students I have leanred with in the US as well.
Really P1sses me off when instructors talk about US trained pilots being inferior - you should grow up and accept that there is a comparible standard over in the US even if it does take biz away from you - slagging it off will do no good!!!!!!
If you want to take this any further I can go into detail on the sort of flying I have done in the US but I can bet your bottom dollar (excuse the pun!) than it will blow the b0llocks off what is done in the UK (try Apache Gunships with myself and a mate of mine with Airforce 1! on his solo) and definitely cheaper - your figures are way off the mark - try £4500 for 2x2 flights to the US, momnths accomdation, all exams and 62.5 hours of flying!!!!
If you want to mess about at an untowered airport during your student PPL then fine, I did mine at a full towered, 5 active runway with full commercial traffic including the USAF! I think that when it comes to the nitty gritty someone who trained at a towered AP wil come off better!
I await your response!
Julian.
Joined: Feb 2000
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From: England
Calm down Julian.
I specifically did not slag off US trained PPLs. Because that would be ridiculous.
£500 comes from about £200 required by the CAA and RT license. Then £300 for about two and a half hours dual flying, a UK map and club membership.
Ballpark.
I'd look to do 2 flight of 1.25hrs. The first a decent GA workout in the local area, PFL, some airfield joins and a few circuits. The second trip a brief Nav heavy on the RT with a chat to London FIS, MATZ pentration, getting a RIS or RAS then the full lost procedure with a chat to 121.5 to get home after a practice diversion.
I'd be happy to do that on a type other than that upon which the student trained to increase their flexibility with future hiring. And throw in a few extras if they liked like some Radio Nav work. So the time is as much training as checking.
That was usually what I would do for someone joining the club and converting to type at the same time.
Its thorough. An hour checkout might well be fine in the opinion of another instructor. But I am cautious and thorough in these matters.
Cheers,
WWW
I specifically did not slag off US trained PPLs. Because that would be ridiculous.
£500 comes from about £200 required by the CAA and RT license. Then £300 for about two and a half hours dual flying, a UK map and club membership.
Ballpark.
I'd look to do 2 flight of 1.25hrs. The first a decent GA workout in the local area, PFL, some airfield joins and a few circuits. The second trip a brief Nav heavy on the RT with a chat to London FIS, MATZ pentration, getting a RIS or RAS then the full lost procedure with a chat to 121.5 to get home after a practice diversion.
I'd be happy to do that on a type other than that upon which the student trained to increase their flexibility with future hiring. And throw in a few extras if they liked like some Radio Nav work. So the time is as much training as checking.
That was usually what I would do for someone joining the club and converting to type at the same time.
Its thorough. An hour checkout might well be fine in the opinion of another instructor. But I am cautious and thorough in these matters.
Cheers,
WWW
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 144
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From: Yorks
Obvious where WWW is coming (and climbing down) from:
'£500 comes from about £200 required by the CAA and RT license. Then £300 for about two and a half hours dual flying, a UK map and club membership'
Wherever you trained, inc. Welschool, wouldn't you have to:
pay for CAA licence,
buy a UK map and
join any club whose facilities you wish to use?
Also, if you have a JAA licence, no 'conversion' is required- it's simply a check ride, as Englishal has pointed out, for anyone new.
'£500 comes from about £200 required by the CAA and RT license. Then £300 for about two and a half hours dual flying, a UK map and club membership'
Wherever you trained, inc. Welschool, wouldn't you have to:
pay for CAA licence,
buy a UK map and
join any club whose facilities you wish to use?
Also, if you have a JAA licence, no 'conversion' is required- it's simply a check ride, as Englishal has pointed out, for anyone new.
Joined: Apr 2001
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From: Yorkshire
My point exactly, so basically the £500 who have to paid by anyone joining WWWs club, not just US trained pilots. The original email is pretty misleading.
One big thing WWW forgot to mention on his costs involved n a UK PPL is landing/approach fees - I have friends of mine absolutely cursing over them during their training! That is gong to push you over the £3k quoted, does this price include VAT by the way?
Thankfully in the US you can do TnGs or shoot the ILS as much as you like - its all FREE!!!!
Julian.
One big thing WWW forgot to mention on his costs involved n a UK PPL is landing/approach fees - I have friends of mine absolutely cursing over them during their training! That is gong to push you over the £3k quoted, does this price include VAT by the way?
Thankfully in the US you can do TnGs or shoot the ILS as much as you like - its all FREE!!!!
Julian.
