ME/IR Expired by more than 1 year - Will a TR renew IR?
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ME/IR Expired by more than 1 year - Will a TR renew IR?
My JAA/EASA ME/IR expired 14 months ago and due to the lovely new EASA regulations I have to undergo mandatory retraining at an approved ATO before I retake my test. I am currently working elsewhere as an instructor (On another overseas licence) and am regularly instructing on the twin - so I am current. The CAA have still not responded to an email & phone call regarding using my foreign currency instead of mandatory retraining - I flew over 500 hours last year including 300 ME/IR.
My question is: if I do the approved remedial training (I believe this may be 3 hours SEP and 3 hours MEP), then I do a type rating will this renew my IR?
On a separate note, can anybody recommend a good (cheap) approved ATO for the ME/IR renewal.
Thanks in advance for any advice
My question is: if I do the approved remedial training (I believe this may be 3 hours SEP and 3 hours MEP), then I do a type rating will this renew my IR?
On a separate note, can anybody recommend a good (cheap) approved ATO for the ME/IR renewal.
Thanks in advance for any advice
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It used to be so up until 2007. I know someone who's IR had expired for 4 years and it was renewed on a recurrent, then. So an initial should be the same?
Now that EASA are getting hold of the thing, any could be the case.
Now that EASA are getting hold of the thing, any could be the case.
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Remember, LASORS isn't the bible anymore! EASA...
To the OP, do you have a current multi-crew TR on you're other ICAO licence/certificate? There may be a loophole this way, if so. On the school to revalidate, PM me.
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Oh, and its training at the discretion of the ATO by the way. The wording in the book is actually recommended training.
To the OP, do you have a current multi-crew TR on you're other ICAO licence/certificate? There may be a loophole this way, if so. On the school to revalidate, PM me.
Edit:
Oh, and its training at the discretion of the ATO by the way. The wording in the book is actually recommended training.
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Thanks for all the information and advice. The CAA seem to be terrible at the moment. I specifically rang them when I was going to renew my IR this summer to see if I had to undergo retraining - I was told to email them as they couldn't give a definitive answer - They said they'd respond in 48 hours and 2 months later I still have no response!
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The refresher training required before renewing the MEP class rating is entirely at the discretion of the Head of Training of the ATO. There are suggested figures in the AMC that the ATO may take into account but it is not obliged to do so. If you are current on MEP under another authority, I would not expect much if any refresher flying to be required. Try dropping a PM to Bose-X on this forum.
As to the IR, the following appears in the new edition of CAP 804, published yesterday:
Official Record Series 4, No.974 which contains the exemption is here
As to the IR, the following appears in the new edition of CAP 804, published yesterday:
The UK CAA has issued an exemption such that where a pilot holds or has held an
Instrument Rating issued by a third country and that rating is compliant with Annex I to
the Convention on International Civil Aviation, the applicability of FCL.625 IR(c) and (d)
may be based on the validity dates of the Instrument Rating of that other country. The
effect of this exemption is that to renew the IR on a UK issued licence:
(i) a pilot with a current and valid 3rd country IR shall complete the revalidation
requirements of FCL.625(b) and the aircraft category specific requirements for
revalidation of the Part-FCL IR; meaning that he must pass the proficiency check,
but is not required to undergo training or to re-take the theoretical knowledge
examinations; or
(ii) a pilot who held a 3rd country IR that is no longer valid but had been revalidated
or renewed within the preceding 7 years shall comply with the renewal
requirements of FCL.625 IR(c), but is not required to re-take the theoretical
knowledge examinations.
Instrument Rating issued by a third country and that rating is compliant with Annex I to
the Convention on International Civil Aviation, the applicability of FCL.625 IR(c) and (d)
may be based on the validity dates of the Instrument Rating of that other country. The
effect of this exemption is that to renew the IR on a UK issued licence:
(i) a pilot with a current and valid 3rd country IR shall complete the revalidation
requirements of FCL.625(b) and the aircraft category specific requirements for
revalidation of the Part-FCL IR; meaning that he must pass the proficiency check,
but is not required to undergo training or to re-take the theoretical knowledge
examinations; or
(ii) a pilot who held a 3rd country IR that is no longer valid but had been revalidated
or renewed within the preceding 7 years shall comply with the renewal
requirements of FCL.625 IR(c), but is not required to re-take the theoretical
knowledge examinations.
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Thanks a lot for that BillieBob - I'll drop bose-x a line too, I was lucky enough to fly with him for several hours in preparation for my CRI and he had a great part in me passing.
My licence is in Qatar, so I'm just checking up on this 3rd country IR validity - hopefully it could save me a few thousand Euros - appreciate your input! If you're ever in Qatar I'll buy you a beer!
My licence is in Qatar, so I'm just checking up on this 3rd country IR validity - hopefully it could save me a few thousand Euros - appreciate your input! If you're ever in Qatar I'll buy you a beer!
