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Euro American whatever is closing? Really?
Oh... they were so honest tough. Very very sad that they can't steal and lie anymore.
Other than the fact that after 3 days my ground instructor almost died in a crash with a student...
Maintenance were guys learning from Embry riddle ...
They were sucking money from the account like water ....
They were not respecting the schedules in any way...
They staff were in a constant fight...
The planes were fresh painted , and a junk inside ( like the school after all...)
just other than this....
I did part of my licenses there , thanks god after accidents incidents engine failures , engine fire on the runway which I saw with my own eyes , there was just heavy injured that lost their medical , and ( I think , I hope) no one died.
Guys USA is still the best place in the world for get the licenses , but you have to take from others experience if you don't want to have surprises.
I then finished my licenses in another school , were they were honest and did my IR in the minimum hours , never been charged for any reason , never had problem with the better equipped and performing plane , never had to pay more , and they respected the time schedule.
This model can be called a "Flight school".
All the other just have an amazing website , saying " do the pilot! do the pilot! is the best job in the world and you will be captain in 6 months with us at half price!!!! we are the best school in whateverland , come!!! "
Oh... they were so honest tough. Very very sad that they can't steal and lie anymore.
Other than the fact that after 3 days my ground instructor almost died in a crash with a student...
Maintenance were guys learning from Embry riddle ...
They were sucking money from the account like water ....
They were not respecting the schedules in any way...
They staff were in a constant fight...
The planes were fresh painted , and a junk inside ( like the school after all...)
just other than this....
I did part of my licenses there , thanks god after accidents incidents engine failures , engine fire on the runway which I saw with my own eyes , there was just heavy injured that lost their medical , and ( I think , I hope) no one died.
Guys USA is still the best place in the world for get the licenses , but you have to take from others experience if you don't want to have surprises.
I then finished my licenses in another school , were they were honest and did my IR in the minimum hours , never been charged for any reason , never had problem with the better equipped and performing plane , never had to pay more , and they respected the time schedule.
This model can be called a "Flight school".
All the other just have an amazing website , saying " do the pilot! do the pilot! is the best job in the world and you will be captain in 6 months with us at half price!!!! we are the best school in whateverland , come!!! "
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Visa's can be easily transferred to other schools.
So even if you have a ticket booked and visa's in your passport you still DO NOT need to go there.
As long as you have not paid them you do not need or want to do your FAA training there.
Your money will not keep the organization afloat long enough for you to finish training. It is a sinking ship.
Go somewhere else.
Plenty of schools that will be happy to train you the correct way.
Send me a PM if you need recommendations.
Honestly this should have happenend 10 years ago.
So even if you have a ticket booked and visa's in your passport you still DO NOT need to go there.
As long as you have not paid them you do not need or want to do your FAA training there.
Your money will not keep the organization afloat long enough for you to finish training. It is a sinking ship.
Go somewhere else.
Plenty of schools that will be happy to train you the correct way.
Send me a PM if you need recommendations.
Honestly this should have happenend 10 years ago.
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I am so happy they have been shut down.
I was cheated by Adrian Thompson when I went there for training. He is an arrogant, rude individual with no morals.
I witnessed an examiner altering one student's Nav' exam paper so he could pass. We were left unattended during an exam and everyone was exchanging correct answers.
Whilst I was there there were TWO engine failures in three weeks.
What a shambles!
I was cheated by Adrian Thompson when I went there for training. He is an arrogant, rude individual with no morals.
I witnessed an examiner altering one student's Nav' exam paper so he could pass. We were left unattended during an exam and everyone was exchanging correct answers.
Whilst I was there there were TWO engine failures in three weeks.
What a shambles!
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I won't be shedding any tears over OBA's demise but I do wonder can anyone give some more detail about what lack of compliance this was based on?
I am concerned that while OBA may have deserved this EASA are coming down very hard on a lot of flight training organisations with little regard for their viability or the impact of their regulation on them.
I suspect they are also more likely to make life difficult for the US based EASA approved schools - for the same reason they don't like the R66 and all the other protectionist rubbish they have come up with over the years.
I am concerned that while OBA may have deserved this EASA are coming down very hard on a lot of flight training organisations with little regard for their viability or the impact of their regulation on them.
I suspect they are also more likely to make life difficult for the US based EASA approved schools - for the same reason they don't like the R66 and all the other protectionist rubbish they have come up with over the years.
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I have to agree with maybebrothers....Adrian talked to students like something he brought in off the street, full of his own importance and with no manners!
The accomodation was good, but safety was a major issue....several aircraft fires, aircraft emergency landing!!! and surprise charges when you arrived in Florida.
I actuallyhad to return home after 3 weeks due to a family death and Adrian helped himself to 25% of my course fee. The man has no morals.
I certainly would not have been going back there and I have to say I'm glad he's been shut down.
The accomodation was good, but safety was a major issue....several aircraft fires, aircraft emergency landing!!! and surprise charges when you arrived in Florida.
I actuallyhad to return home after 3 weeks due to a family death and Adrian helped himself to 25% of my course fee. The man has no morals.
I certainly would not have been going back there and I have to say I'm glad he's been shut down.
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I actuallyhad to return home after 3 weeks due to a family death and Adrian helped himself to 25% of my course fee. The man has no morals.
No disrespect is meant by this and I'm just making a general statement but Flight Training should come with a warning that your relatives may pass whilst completing flight training because I have seen dozens have students have sudden family deaths and leave all of a sudden when the going got tough. You paid rock bottom prices at flyEASA and that meant if you dropped out he would have been out of pocket as the prices are based on the aircraft flying all the time- why should that cost be passed onto other students? Despite what people think margins are slim in flight training and one or two of these a month would easily slide most flight schools into the red.
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You have your opinion and i respect that however the going never got tough, i passed my PPL on first attempt and it was the hour building part which I couldn't complete. I found Adrian very uncompromising and because of my experience I wouldn't go back to the US to do any flying training.
P.S. it was OBA when I was there!
P.S. it was OBA when I was there!
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and because of my experience I wouldn't go back to the US to do any flying training.
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I think quite a few people will have a smile on there faces with that statement on adrians website.
I suspect though that his usual methods won't work easa.
I to am very interested in the reasons for having it pulled. I suspect that we will see the big schools pulling out as well over the next couple of years.
I know lots of people over the years complained to the CAA about the place.
Third hand I was told that someone had even taped one of the famous RT tests that adrian used. With the bangs on the wall and C words included.
Nothing was ever done. Always the reply was " you need to provide evidence" and when you did they just didn't respond or said it wasn't of any use.
I suspect though that his usual methods won't work easa.
I to am very interested in the reasons for having it pulled. I suspect that we will see the big schools pulling out as well over the next couple of years.
I know lots of people over the years complained to the CAA about the place.
Third hand I was told that someone had even taped one of the famous RT tests that adrian used. With the bangs on the wall and C words included.
Nothing was ever done. Always the reply was " you need to provide evidence" and when you did they just didn't respond or said it wasn't of any use.
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Learnt here in 2009, until I lost my temper with their rudeness, dishonestly etc - walked away and completed at White Waltham leaving 2kusd in their coffers!
While there was some very good aspects to the school - ie a couple of the individual teachers were more than decent, the whole place smacked of unprofessionalism. An example the company staff bitched about each other in front of the students - completely unacceptable.
I did enjoy my time there - I was a lucky one with a decent teacher but the administration were just jokes and in the end I could not stand them any more.
I did enjoy my friend head over there to do his IMC - on completion of his training he was told that there was not an IMC qualified examiner - so left money on the table and had to finish up in the UK.
You never got a straight answer and the hidden costs and hoops that they made you jump through to get more hours out of you were laughable!
Some of the tales on this forum are shocking!
While there was some very good aspects to the school - ie a couple of the individual teachers were more than decent, the whole place smacked of unprofessionalism. An example the company staff bitched about each other in front of the students - completely unacceptable.
I did enjoy my time there - I was a lucky one with a decent teacher but the administration were just jokes and in the end I could not stand them any more.
I did enjoy my friend head over there to do his IMC - on completion of his training he was told that there was not an IMC qualified examiner - so left money on the table and had to finish up in the UK.
You never got a straight answer and the hidden costs and hoops that they made you jump through to get more hours out of you were laughable!
Some of the tales on this forum are shocking!
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Like I said earlier, I had no complaints about the school and the training itself. I enjoyed my (short) time there, and alot of people working there said that the school was working better and was more organized than ever. I thought it worked perfectly, until they decided to close the doors.
The staff, instructors and dispatch were more than happy to let us fly as much as we could during the last week. Unfortunately I didnt have time to do my checkride so I have to arrange this myself.
Now just waiting for the promised refund. I hope the management doesn't think I will move on and forget about it.
The staff, instructors and dispatch were more than happy to let us fly as much as we could during the last week. Unfortunately I didnt have time to do my checkride so I have to arrange this myself.
Now just waiting for the promised refund. I hope the management doesn't think I will move on and forget about it.
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<< Now just waiting for the promised refund. I hope the management doesn't think I will move on and forget about it. >>
Haha yeah , the promised refund. That promise is a famous legend that will never become true.
I know 10-15 student ripped off with the same "promise"
I guess now you will discover the dark side of those fake smiles.
Haha yeah , the promised refund. That promise is a famous legend that will never become true.
I know 10-15 student ripped off with the same "promise"
I guess now you will discover the dark side of those fake smiles.
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I have also been a victim of the EASA/flyEASA debacle, I was training there when the licence was suspended, i then did my skills test out there and have now been told that I have to re-do it. If anyone else on here was as well, can you please PM me. At least then we can try and work out as a group if there is a course of action that we can take!
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I'm already working with plan B in another school.
I am more than happy to spend a substantial amount of time, effort and resources into resolving this matter.
Again, the level of training I received was great, the surprise closure of the school, that is another matter.
I am more than happy to spend a substantial amount of time, effort and resources into resolving this matter.
Again, the level of training I received was great, the surprise closure of the school, that is another matter.
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Well, as expected, FlyEASA has not refunded me even though I gave them an offer, which I thought was more that reasonable (and about plan B, I now have my PPL in my pocket).
Anyway,
I will offer a handsome reward for anyone (via PayPal), who will give me any information that will lead into me finding Mr. Adrian Thompson. Phone numbers, home addresses, anything usable. Let me know what you have. If it is helpful, I will pay for that information.
Anyway,
I will offer a handsome reward for anyone (via PayPal), who will give me any information that will lead into me finding Mr. Adrian Thompson. Phone numbers, home addresses, anything usable. Let me know what you have. If it is helpful, I will pay for that information.
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I hate to say it but..
Your contract is with the school company not with the person.
If the company has been wound up you can only be added to the list of people owed. And once the assets have been sold you get a percentage of what's owed.
Chasing AT won't get you anywhere and will only cost you money and get you even more hacked off.
Its standard practise to fob people off until the company files bankruptcy because the owners know as soon as they have filed that's them in the clear and its in the hands of the administrators and not there problem.
If you have payed by credit card you may be able to apply to get some money back through the CC protection schemes (I don't know how it works with Finnish CC's) . But if you have payed by wire transfer you are stuffed.
This is the reason why on here we say time and time again never pay up front for training what ever the discount.
Your contract is with the school company not with the person.
If the company has been wound up you can only be added to the list of people owed. And once the assets have been sold you get a percentage of what's owed.
Chasing AT won't get you anywhere and will only cost you money and get you even more hacked off.
Its standard practise to fob people off until the company files bankruptcy because the owners know as soon as they have filed that's them in the clear and its in the hands of the administrators and not there problem.
If you have payed by credit card you may be able to apply to get some money back through the CC protection schemes (I don't know how it works with Finnish CC's) . But if you have payed by wire transfer you are stuffed.
This is the reason why on here we say time and time again never pay up front for training what ever the discount.
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Yes we have but I would suggest AT isn't in the same league as those operators.
As much as I don't like the man he is quite an intelligent operator who knows what he can and can't do and how to cover his arse.
It wouldn't be fair to give any wannabie the idea that it will be likely possible to recover any money from the situation.
If they with the knowledge that its unlikely still want to chase him for annoyance, ****s and giggles fair enough. But if they are chucking good money after bad its unfair not to warn them what they are getting into and the likelihood of success.
As much as I don't like the man he is quite an intelligent operator who knows what he can and can't do and how to cover his arse.
It wouldn't be fair to give any wannabie the idea that it will be likely possible to recover any money from the situation.
If they with the knowledge that its unlikely still want to chase him for annoyance, ****s and giggles fair enough. But if they are chucking good money after bad its unfair not to warn them what they are getting into and the likelihood of success.