Commercial flight or not?
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Commercial flight or not?
The AAIB have recently released the accident report AAIB Bulletin No: 2/2001 Ref: EW/C2000/6/1 with you can see on the AAIB website at
http://www.open.gov.uk/aaib/feb01htm/gbmnt.htm
In the report it states;
"The pilot was flying on a freelance basis for a company carrying their passengers to and from race meetings"
in the same section it states;
"He held a Commercial Pilot's Licence but was not required to undergo a type test to conduct a private flight."
questions;
If he was acting as PIC using his CPL, being paid for his professional services (I guess he wasn't doing it for free?), then does this not constitute a commercial flight rather than a private flight??
If it was a commercial flight, should he have possessed a valid type rating for that particular aircraft??
NB; I'm not inferring the AAIB report is wrong, I'd just like to find out for future reference why it was classed as a 'private flight'.
Viewpoints/knowledge welcomed.
http://www.open.gov.uk/aaib/feb01htm/gbmnt.htm
In the report it states;
"The pilot was flying on a freelance basis for a company carrying their passengers to and from race meetings"
in the same section it states;
"He held a Commercial Pilot's Licence but was not required to undergo a type test to conduct a private flight."
questions;
If he was acting as PIC using his CPL, being paid for his professional services (I guess he wasn't doing it for free?), then does this not constitute a commercial flight rather than a private flight??
If it was a commercial flight, should he have possessed a valid type rating for that particular aircraft??
NB; I'm not inferring the AAIB report is wrong, I'd just like to find out for future reference why it was classed as a 'private flight'.
Viewpoints/knowledge welcomed.
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If he was flying 'their' plane, ie the private company it was not a public transport flight as the passengers weren't paying a fee for their seat.
As for the type rating, it depends what he was flying.....I haven't read the report but I am guessing you are refering to the Seneca accident. You will find that the pilot may well have had a 'Multi Engine - Piston Land' rating which allows you to fly any piston twin under a certain weight, can't remember off hand what it is, but the Seneca certainly falls into that category. Normally the owner (usually a school, club etc) would require you to do a few hours under instruction to familiarise yourself with the a/c, but I think I am right in saying that for a non public transport flight there is no legal requirement for this.
As I have said, I have not read the report.....just answered what you posted, so I don't know how relevant it is in this case.
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As for the type rating, it depends what he was flying.....I haven't read the report but I am guessing you are refering to the Seneca accident. You will find that the pilot may well have had a 'Multi Engine - Piston Land' rating which allows you to fly any piston twin under a certain weight, can't remember off hand what it is, but the Seneca certainly falls into that category. Normally the owner (usually a school, club etc) would require you to do a few hours under instruction to familiarise yourself with the a/c, but I think I am right in saying that for a non public transport flight there is no legal requirement for this.
As I have said, I have not read the report.....just answered what you posted, so I don't know how relevant it is in this case.
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In order to be paid for a flight the pilot must hold a Commercial Licence this is a basic licensing requirement.
So long as no money changes hands for the purppose of the flight other than for the remuneration of the pilot the flight is deemed to be a Private flight. Art 130
For a private flight the pilot needs a valid Class rating, there is no type rating for the Seneca. Had it been a public transport flight then an AOC would have been required and the pilot would be subject to a 6 monthly Operator Proficiency Check.
There are a lot of benovolent people in racing who transport jockeys around for nothing, or so they claim.
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So long as no money changes hands for the purppose of the flight other than for the remuneration of the pilot the flight is deemed to be a Private flight. Art 130
For a private flight the pilot needs a valid Class rating, there is no type rating for the Seneca. Had it been a public transport flight then an AOC would have been required and the pilot would be subject to a 6 monthly Operator Proficiency Check.
There are a lot of benovolent people in racing who transport jockeys around for nothing, or so they claim.
[This message has been edited by Noggin (edited 21 February 2001).]
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Thanks for the feedback guys, much apprecated, I didn't realise (know) that if you used a privately owned aircraft and only had to pay for the pilot's wages then it was classed only as a private flight. ie. I thought as soon as a pilot was being paid for reward in a flight situation then it effectively became a commercial flight.
I guess in the example stated then, the question is, did the passengers pay for the use of the aircraft as well as the pilot's wages(ie. hire the aircraft/pilot from a company) or was it an aircraft they owned and just paid a pilot to fly them around?
Can you suggest a publication/book that clearly explains all of the current regs on this topic in a fairly simple and easy to follow way?
I guess in the example stated then, the question is, did the passengers pay for the use of the aircraft as well as the pilot's wages(ie. hire the aircraft/pilot from a company) or was it an aircraft they owned and just paid a pilot to fly them around?
Can you suggest a publication/book that clearly explains all of the current regs on this topic in a fairly simple and easy to follow way?
