English Fluency CTC

[FreaKy Pilot]

Hey there, my namei s Sam, I'm 19 and currently doing my ATPL + CPL/IR in France and I was wondering about going to CTC Aviation in England to do their ATP Wings course (for the MCC, AQC, CRM etc.) but they say on their selection process that we must be fluent in English (verbal and written).
I don't understand what this is supposed to mean ? Does that mean that I have to speak and write like a native speaker ?
I'm able to hold a conversation in english but it's hard to determine if I have the skills required or not :/ Any advice ?

Thanks in advance

[appfo09]

From your post you seem to be good enough. I also think if you have ICAO English Language Proficiency Level 4 you are good to go.
For a foreigner this is a standard!

[hvogt]

I went there in 2008, paid the fee and, pardon my French, was given a PFO after phase 3 of the selection process for their 'Wings' cadet scheme. Afterwards, my request for feedback was answered with the following lines:

Thank you for your email. We regret that we do not supply feedback, where we have said no to reapplication. May we refer you back to the advise we gave you about self analysis of the day.
Regards CTC Wings Selection Team

Until today, I can't tell whether my English proficiency or lack of it played any role in me being rejected.

I think you'll understand CTC are not particularly in my good books after this, and I'm willing to admit this disqualifies me at large from giving objective advice with regard to them. However, I would recommend to keep in mind you are approaching them as a customer. I think as long as your money is good enough for them they should be able to live with your accent.

[Bloated Stomach]

I would suspect English proficiency is level 6. That is probably the level they are expecting in their AQC students.

Just to let you know, applications and selection for the ATP programme is closed at present. There are more than adequate students in the ATP database for the time being.

[gorter]

Originally Posted by hvogt

I went there in 2008, paid the fee and, pardon my French, was given a PFO after phase 3 of the selection process for their 'Wings' cadet scheme. Afterwards, my request for feedback was answered with the following lines:

Thank you for your email. We regret that we do not supply feedback, where we have said no to reapplication. May we refer you back to the advise we gave you about self analysis of the day.
Regards CTC Wings Selection Team

Until today, I can't tell whether my English proficiency or lack of it played any role in me being rejected.

I think you'll understand CTC are not particularly in my good books after this, and I'm willing to admit this disqualifies me at large from giving objective advice with regard to them. However, I would recommend you to keep in mind you are approaching them as a customer. I think as long as your money is good enough for them they should be able to live with your accent.

If you really wanted to know why they turned you down then you could make a subject access request under the data protection act. A firm is required to hand over all written information they hold on you. Not sure how long they have to keep it or exactly how to go about it, but the principle is there in legislation

Apologies for the thread drift.

[Bealzebub]

If you really wanted to know why they turned you down then you could make a subject access request under the data protection act. A firm is required to hand over all written information they hold on you

You can make the request, but a firm is not required to hand over "all written information they hold on you." If you want to educate yourself on this point a bit more here is a good starting point.

[FreaKy Pilot]

Thanks for the answers !

There're a lot of requirements to join their cadet course, so it's not neccessarely because of your English !
But as I'll be trying to join their ATP course (for those who already hold the ATPL and CPL/IR) at the end of my training in France, I'm a bit worried about how fluent I am because it's a big requirement if you have to do a job interview...

[Farrell]

I also think if you have ICAO English Language Proficiency Level 4 you are good to go.

No you are not!

A Level 4 is a base level of English that ICAO have deemed suitable for the operation of a radio in an air traffic control environment.
It is not an indication of anyone's ability to attend and successfully pass a course run in the English language and neither is ICAO Level 5 or 6 for that matter.

The ICAO ratings are for speaking and listening only.

An IELTS certificate or equivalent is what is required.