FAA to CASA
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FAA to CASA
]I am intending to go overseas to Phoenix East Aviation next year in Florida to do a Part 141 CPL and ether a MECIR or instructor Rating.
My question is has anyone left Australia to do a FAA CPL and then want to convert it over to CASA?
have had a read of Form 213 on the CASA website and it all seems pretty straight forward. Is there anyone who has done the same thing and did you hitany hurdels in doing it? I know you have to do a CASA Air law and Human Factorsexam and sit a practical flight test but is there anything els I should knowabout?
Thanks for your time
My question is has anyone left Australia to do a FAA CPL and then want to convert it over to CASA?
have had a read of Form 213 on the CASA website and it all seems pretty straight forward. Is there anyone who has done the same thing and did you hitany hurdels in doing it? I know you have to do a CASA Air law and Human Factorsexam and sit a practical flight test but is there anything els I should knowabout?
Thanks for your time
Last edited by joseph500s; 10th Sep 2012 at 02:14.
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Why aren't you doing the CPL in Australia?
If your goal is to work in Australia, anecdotally, I have heard some airlines do not accept a "converted" license. (There are some caveats on that e.g. JAA to CASA or FAA with thousands of hours on jets etc)
The instrument rating may need a bit more work.
If your goal is to work in Australia, anecdotally, I have heard some airlines do not accept a "converted" license. (There are some caveats on that e.g. JAA to CASA or FAA with thousands of hours on jets etc)
The instrument rating may need a bit more work.
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Well even with over a years’ worth of living expenses included it still works out cheaper to do it in the states than in Australia (plus get to see anice part of the world) so it doesn’t seem like a bad deal. I have no desire to work for a major airline for a very long time if ever. The RFDS, Corporate or hauling freight is pretty much where I want to end up.
Why would an airline not accept a converted license anyway? If the pilot is still capable of performing his/her duties.
Why would an airline not accept a converted license anyway? If the pilot is still capable of performing his/her duties.
Last edited by joseph500s; 10th Sep 2012 at 06:47.
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Perceived examination difficulty and standards.
If I were you, I would contact the respective organisations and ask their opinion.
After all, they are the ones who will employ you.
Also, there is no price on this but have you considered that an Australian flight school will have contacts "out there"? Other students too?
It all helps.
If I were you, I would contact the respective organisations and ask their opinion.
After all, they are the ones who will employ you.
Also, there is no price on this but have you considered that an Australian flight school will have contacts "out there"? Other students too?
It all helps.
Why are you so set against training in the USA Redsnail?
It's not all PTC you know, there a lot of very, very good training organizations in the US.
Even if it is anecdotally (is that a disclaimer?), that sort of stuff should not be posted without a valid reference.
If gives a completely unwarrented negative impression without any proof,
Fox News in the US works like that.
It's not all PTC you know, there a lot of very, very good training organizations in the US.
anecdotally, I have heard some airlines do not accept a "converted" license.
If gives a completely unwarrented negative impression without any proof,
Fox News in the US works like that.
I recall Virgin Blue used to state that. Or, more accurately, they required Oz ATPL theory exam passes even if you held a converted FAA --> Oz ATPL. Don't know if that's still the case as part of Virgin Australia.
Last edited by Tinstaafl; 10th Sep 2012 at 15:52.
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B2N2,
I'm not against the training in the USA at all. However, what the OP "appears" to be doing is circumventing his/her national exams for the "back door" approach. That is, do the CPL in the USA and convert to the Australian CPL with only a couple of bridging exams. This is a potential "gotcha" - especially with the ATPL exams.
Some airlines (as stated by Tinstaafl) aren't happy with that.
Note, I did say "perceived" rather than "actual".
I know the USA has a very rigorous recurrent assessment.
Also, in Australia, your first job is generally instructing or bush charter (not unlike the USA) but who's going to recommend you or form those essential contacts if you've trained in the USA?
However, if the OP's intention is to work for a few years in the USA then all of the above is irrelevant.
I'm not against the training in the USA at all. However, what the OP "appears" to be doing is circumventing his/her national exams for the "back door" approach. That is, do the CPL in the USA and convert to the Australian CPL with only a couple of bridging exams. This is a potential "gotcha" - especially with the ATPL exams.
Some airlines (as stated by Tinstaafl) aren't happy with that.
Note, I did say "perceived" rather than "actual".
I know the USA has a very rigorous recurrent assessment.Also, in Australia, your first job is generally instructing or bush charter (not unlike the USA) but who's going to recommend you or form those essential contacts if you've trained in the USA?
However, if the OP's intention is to work for a few years in the USA then all of the above is irrelevant.
Thanks for taking the time to reply Red.
I've heard the rumors before but if nothing is ever substantiated it's useless.
Sorry, didn't want to jump down your troat like that but i've had enough of the "my mate at the flying club told me" type of advise.
That does make sense. I was actually under the impression that FAA>CASA was the same as FAA>JAA/EASA, 14 exams.
Recently learned that was not the case and to my surprise only two written exams required.
I've heard the rumors before but if nothing is ever substantiated it's useless.
Sorry, didn't want to jump down your troat like that but i've had enough of the "my mate at the flying club told me" type of advise.
they required Oz ATPL theory exam passes even if you held a converted FAA
Recently learned that was not the case and to my surprise only two written exams required.
Thanks for taking the time to reply Red.
I've heard the rumors before but if nothing is ever substantiated it's useless.
Sorry, didn't want to jump down your troat like that but i've had enough of the "my mate at the flying club told me" type of advise.
That does make sense. I was actually under the impression that FAA>CASA was the same as FAA>JAA/EASA, 14 exams.
Recently learned that was not the case and to my surprise only two written exams required.
I've heard the rumors before but if nothing is ever substantiated it's useless.
Sorry, didn't want to jump down your troat like that but i've had enough of the "my mate at the flying club told me" type of advise.
they required Oz ATPL theory exam passes even if you held a converted FAA
Recently learned that was not the case and to my surprise only two written exams required.
Unlike the FAA or JAA/EASA authorities, CASA is really quite good about recognising foreign ICAO qualifications. If the equivalent qualification exists in the Oz regulatory system eg a type rating or design feature endorsement, then it's usually just a case of completing a form & spending some money to get that qualification added to your Oz licence. For example, on my FAA ATP I've flown Kingair 90 & 200, gained an ATP-SES & a co-pilot type rating on a jet - all of which can be added to my Oz licence for some dollars each.
Interestingly sometimes you gain a bit, sometimes you lose a bit: Unless I happen to fly a floating hull aircraft using my FAA SEL, then Oz will only give me a floatplane endorsement (floating hull & floatplane are two separate endorsements in Oz), even though my FAA certificate is valid for both. But...my Oz floatplane endorsement would be valid for singles *and* multis even though my FAA SES isn't valid for multis.
Transferring qualifications doesn't apply to all Oz equivalents but it's still better than what the other regulatory bodies allow.
Interestingly sometimes you gain a bit, sometimes you lose a bit: Unless I happen to fly a floating hull aircraft using my FAA SEL, then Oz will only give me a floatplane endorsement (floating hull & floatplane are two separate endorsements in Oz), even though my FAA certificate is valid for both. But...my Oz floatplane endorsement would be valid for singles *and* multis even though my FAA SES isn't valid for multis.
Transferring qualifications doesn't apply to all Oz equivalents but it's still better than what the other regulatory bodies allow.
Advantages of FAA
I have worked with a guy who did all his training to CPL/MECIR in the US. He had no trouble with the conversion and I think his skills were just as good as anyone else I had flown with. What he told me is that in FAA land once you have a PPL you log command time for the rest of your training. Unlike here where after 200 hours you still only have 70 command. He also logged about 70 hours multi command and around 50 hours night command. He still managed to get all this for less than what it was going to cost at a Australian capital city based flying school.
I've had people in Oz converting from an FAA licence. The commonest issue I found was ded. reckoning navigation in country parts of Oz - and that only tended to be some who lacked exposure to flying away from populated areas.
Rules, regs & procedures, of course, but no different to me coming to the US and learning how it's done here.
Rules, regs & procedures, of course, but no different to me coming to the US and learning how it's done here.
