Zero to hero pilot training FAA/JAA.. advice anyone?
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Here is some close modular prices:
PPL 5200 Gbp
solo 70-75 Gbp (block)
school learning (not distance!) CPL 1000 , fATPL 1900 Gbp
CPL 4000 Gbp
Instrument 7000 Gbp
Multi 2900 Gbp
total approx 21.000 Gbp + hour building (approx 5000)
+ very important factor that we have better flying conditions which mean more flying hours over year
All of that just 2,5 hours from London (and there is a lot of young people understand English)
PPL 5200 Gbp
solo 70-75 Gbp (block)
school learning (not distance!) CPL 1000 , fATPL 1900 Gbp
CPL 4000 Gbp
Instrument 7000 Gbp
Multi 2900 Gbp
total approx 21.000 Gbp + hour building (approx 5000)
+ very important factor that we have better flying conditions which mean more flying hours over year
All of that just 2,5 hours from London (and there is a lot of young people understand English)
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Am I correct that most the hours in the Instrument rating is done on a SEP?
You put down £7000 for IR, I am curious what kind of Aircraft is this, and you see hourly rates on this MEP?
You put PPL £5200, and Instrument £7000!
If solo block is £75, and you say hour building is £5000, that means 66 hours, that can't be enough! You will probably the double of that, to get to total of 200 hours, if you manage to do all courses in minimum hours!
I am sorry I am not convinced of those figures to be enough, but looking at the bigger picture, providing numbers are correct, £900 saving on PPL and CPL, £1800, you need to confirm what aircraft your instrument rating is based on, but I am pretty sure it is not 15 hours in a MEP, but please tell me, because it is important you compare like for like!
You put down £7000 for IR, I am curious what kind of Aircraft is this, and you see hourly rates on this MEP?
You put PPL £5200, and Instrument £7000!
If solo block is £75, and you say hour building is £5000, that means 66 hours, that can't be enough! You will probably the double of that, to get to total of 200 hours, if you manage to do all courses in minimum hours!
I am sorry I am not convinced of those figures to be enough, but looking at the bigger picture, providing numbers are correct, £900 saving on PPL and CPL, £1800, you need to confirm what aircraft your instrument rating is based on, but I am pretty sure it is not 15 hours in a MEP, but please tell me, because it is important you compare like for like!
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In that numbers you will have minimum 8 hours of multi (Aztec or similar)
Aircrafts are C150 for PPL, C172 or Piper for instrument (SEP), Piper retractable for CPL (min. 10 hours)
There is some private planes to get for hour buildings for as low as 60 Gbp, so I gave you 70-75 as medium prices (75 is maximum for C150)! Others numbers are Ok as well
Students here already finish their fATPL`s for very close sum I already gave you, depending on their flying skills and additional hours, so no need to convincing you
Regards
Aircrafts are C150 for PPL, C172 or Piper for instrument (SEP), Piper retractable for CPL (min. 10 hours)
There is some private planes to get for hour buildings for as low as 60 Gbp, so I gave you 70-75 as medium prices (75 is maximum for C150)! Others numbers are Ok as well
Students here already finish their fATPL`s for very close sum I already gave you, depending on their flying skills and additional hours, so no need to convincing you
Regards
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Exactly what I meant, it's like comparing apples and oranges, the quotes I gave you is for 22 hours Multi engine, Seneca and DA42!
To be good on ME IR test, 8 hours is really scraping!
It's false advertising! Exactly the same as I saw in Slovenia!
You could do the same in the UK if you requested this, but it's not practical!
Your students wll need more ME time, above minimum, which will cost extra!
To be good on ME IR test, 8 hours is really scraping!
It's false advertising! Exactly the same as I saw in Slovenia!
You could do the same in the UK if you requested this, but it's not practical!
Your students wll need more ME time, above minimum, which will cost extra!
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Sorry, but everything is open and no hiden cost, it`s up to students to see if he/she can do that in minimum requested hours which is prescribed by law! If you want total of 15 multi hours it will be ~2200 Gbp more...
Seneca is also one of multi planes here
This is no advertising, it`s up to everyone to be serious and give hard effort toward`s good and efficient learning. When you have that approach you have better chance to finish on time and spare some money.
I know at least a dozen peoples which finish with this attitude and almost minimum of hours.
Seneca is also one of multi planes here
This is no advertising, it`s up to everyone to be serious and give hard effort toward`s good and efficient learning. When you have that approach you have better chance to finish on time and spare some money.
I know at least a dozen peoples which finish with this attitude and almost minimum of hours.
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You telling me extra 15 hours multiengine for IR with instructor is extra £2200 more?
Making it £146 per hour for Multi-Engine incl. IR instructor?
I am sorry have very hard to believe that price, even in Serbia, still makes the IR £9200, not £7000, when you compare similar type of hours!
What would the MEP without instructor cost for 15 hours?
Making it £146 per hour for Multi-Engine incl. IR instructor?
I am sorry have very hard to believe that price, even in Serbia, still makes the IR £9200, not £7000, when you compare similar type of hours!
What would the MEP without instructor cost for 15 hours?
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Having flown in both jaa and FAA here is my opinion. Go and get your licence in USA with a reputable school that has a scheme with some regional feeder airlines. It will be much cheaper and you will have more options as the ga scene and bus jets is larger.
You can convert and even save some cash. Jaa
Licence is over priced and the weather is poor. You will gain exposure to more
Things such as parallel approaches with 737 and vectoring around them at PPL stage. European airpspace is busy yes but you ain't getting
Anywhere near anything big a shiny. In America you will.
You can convert and even save some cash. Jaa
Licence is over priced and the weather is poor. You will gain exposure to more
Things such as parallel approaches with 737 and vectoring around them at PPL stage. European airpspace is busy yes but you ain't getting
Anywhere near anything big a shiny. In America you will.
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Try Canada. It's cheaper than Europe, buts its ICAO whereas the US is not. And as a Brit it's easier to secure a residence permit there later on. Also if you need to convert over to FAA it's a matter of sitting an air law exam and the license is handed over. I finished my entire training, Integrated fATPL, for ~$60,000 (£38,000). The program took 1 1/2 years, even with delays during winter due to weather. The school was in Eastern Canada where things are much cheaper than the rest if the country. Average rents are around $350 (£230)/month, but you can get it cheaper, you'de been fine going there with ~£55k-60k
The only issue is that you are left with only 190 hours, but needless to say most people coming out of my particular school found jobs. Lots of the students stay on and instruct. MSG me if you want the name of the school.
The only issue is that you are left with only 190 hours, but needless to say most people coming out of my particular school found jobs. Lots of the students stay on and instruct. MSG me if you want the name of the school.
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European airpspace is busy yes but you ain't getting
Anywhere near anything big a shiny. In America you will.
Anywhere near anything big a shiny. In America you will.
Try Canada. It's cheaper than Europe, buts its ICAO whereas the US is not.
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"Go and get your licence in USA with a reputable school that has a scheme with some regional feeder airlines. It will be much cheaper and you will have more options as the ga scene and bus jets is larger. "
Jugs, I am sorry, but some of your posts does not stop to amaze me! I mean where do you get all your information from? If you actually have any?
As Zondaracer says, no chance of working in the USA, unless you have wife from there, or green card lottery - impossible!
Including conversion costs, travel costs, living costs, you are not saving much going to the USA, unless you want to have a holiday and build hours!
Jugs, I am sorry, but some of your posts does not stop to amaze me! I mean where do you get all your information from? If you actually have any?
As Zondaracer says, no chance of working in the USA, unless you have wife from there, or green card lottery - impossible!
Including conversion costs, travel costs, living costs, you are not saving much going to the USA, unless you want to have a holiday and build hours!
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Truckflyer you should read carefully what I wrote!
"If you want total of 15 multi hours it will be ~2200 Gbp more..."
...so it is approx 300 Gbp for flying hour in twin!
"If you want total of 15 multi hours it will be ~2200 Gbp more..."
...so it is approx 300 Gbp for flying hour in twin!
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Why have you given up on sponsorship???
Why have a defeatest attitude?
You certainly will have to pay if you dont try!!!!!
BA Cityflyer were looking to sponsor people for MPL for this October to transition onto Embraers
Flybe do so too.
Do the ground work , do a PPL , join the cadets. Do whatever it takes to get the sponsorship and a job.
or pay for an ATPL which will cost you £50K+ and as you can see , very little else.
Why have a defeatest attitude?
You certainly will have to pay if you dont try!!!!!
BA Cityflyer were looking to sponsor people for MPL for this October to transition onto Embraers
Flybe do so too.
Do the ground work , do a PPL , join the cadets. Do whatever it takes to get the sponsorship and a job.
or pay for an ATPL which will cost you £50K+ and as you can see , very little else.
