The AOT Course at Coventry...
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It is not compulsory and I somehow dont quite think a tick in the box is what its all about.
If you are a recruitment expert or have breezed through multiple interviews with ease then dont attend.
On the otherhand, if you are lacking in interview skills or even just wondering what they are all about (heads up) then do attend.
OK £300 is a lot of wonga to anyone and I didnt get the job as a direct result of attending, but it allowed me to go to interview more relaxed/prepared etc etc..ie...did no harm and will serve well for future reference.
ps. spending money to get qualified in my opinion entitles one to absolutely zilch.
Harold Shipman could probably breeze through flight training but would you give him a job?
It is not compulsory and I somehow dont quite think a tick in the box is what its all about.
If you are a recruitment expert or have breezed through multiple interviews with ease then dont attend.
On the otherhand, if you are lacking in interview skills or even just wondering what they are all about (heads up) then do attend.
OK £300 is a lot of wonga to anyone and I didnt get the job as a direct result of attending, but it allowed me to go to interview more relaxed/prepared etc etc..ie...did no harm and will serve well for future reference.
ps. spending money to get qualified in my opinion entitles one to absolutely zilch.
Harold Shipman could probably breeze through flight training but would you give him a job?
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WTVV,
I can see where you're coming from and fully understand how it feels to be in a situation where a considerable pile of cash has been invested in training, only for there to be no work at the end of it and, to feel that more money is being prised out of you for dubious purposes.
What I found, was that I had started to lose faith in myself and to imagine that I had no work because of some deficiency in my own personality or ability as a pilot. Attending the AOT course helped me to realise that I was a worthwhile and employable individual and, although I'm not employed yet, showed me that maintaining a truly positive attitude was the only way to survive the airline industry downturn.
It's easy to start feeling bitter and resentful toward the industry, after so much effort without result - been there and done that.
What's more, there may well be some unscrupulous individuals and organisations around, who have a predelection for relieving desperate wanabees of their money - AOT weren't like that, although I had considered this possibility beforehand! I couldn't have been further from the truth!
My original comments are somewhere in this thread and I stand by them.
In conclusion, if you're feeling pretty p1ssed off with the whole business and you can get 300 quid together, this course will make you feel very much better about yourself and your ability to get a job when things improve, in my honest opinion.
Hang on in there!
ETR
I can see where you're coming from and fully understand how it feels to be in a situation where a considerable pile of cash has been invested in training, only for there to be no work at the end of it and, to feel that more money is being prised out of you for dubious purposes.
What I found, was that I had started to lose faith in myself and to imagine that I had no work because of some deficiency in my own personality or ability as a pilot. Attending the AOT course helped me to realise that I was a worthwhile and employable individual and, although I'm not employed yet, showed me that maintaining a truly positive attitude was the only way to survive the airline industry downturn.
It's easy to start feeling bitter and resentful toward the industry, after so much effort without result - been there and done that.
What's more, there may well be some unscrupulous individuals and organisations around, who have a predelection for relieving desperate wanabees of their money - AOT weren't like that, although I had considered this possibility beforehand! I couldn't have been further from the truth!
My original comments are somewhere in this thread and I stand by them.
In conclusion, if you're feeling pretty p1ssed off with the whole business and you can get 300 quid together, this course will make you feel very much better about yourself and your ability to get a job when things improve, in my honest opinion.
Hang on in there!
ETR
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Say edding, if there is still an offer of accommodation in the sunny midlands next weekend, would be more than interested. I'm travelling up for the whole AOT weekend.
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Thats strange. 
Quite a few of the usernames promoting the AOT course due to their recent positive experiences on the said weekend, seem to appear frequently else where on PPRuNe as experienced, employed crew.
Dont be as daft as to leave your arses hanging in the air gents, if you insist on self promotion.
Quite a few of the usernames promoting the AOT course due to their recent positive experiences on the said weekend, seem to appear frequently else where on PPRuNe as experienced, employed crew.
Dont be as daft as to leave your arses hanging in the air gents, if you insist on self promotion.
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Hello to you all,
I am by no means writing to encourage anyone to promote or say otherwise about AOT. Those people who have been on the course as paying attendees are the people to talk the course up or down. I can assure you that the integrity of the people who are responsible for running the course are both to charge for their time as well as to ensure that attendees get what they are paying for. This is in brief a full UNDERSTANDING and PRACTICE of what to expect at the JOB interview stage. Of course licenses come at a cost, but having shelled out thousands of pounds, you surely now want to have the best possible chance to get the job over all the other applicants. In my opinion this is the best product on the market in its field and if you should disagree then tell me you have attended this and a better course, and name the other course and tell me that it was superior in its content and execution. Surely this will benefit all those querying AOT.
No, I am not a founder of AOT!
I am by no means writing to encourage anyone to promote or say otherwise about AOT. Those people who have been on the course as paying attendees are the people to talk the course up or down. I can assure you that the integrity of the people who are responsible for running the course are both to charge for their time as well as to ensure that attendees get what they are paying for. This is in brief a full UNDERSTANDING and PRACTICE of what to expect at the JOB interview stage. Of course licenses come at a cost, but having shelled out thousands of pounds, you surely now want to have the best possible chance to get the job over all the other applicants. In my opinion this is the best product on the market in its field and if you should disagree then tell me you have attended this and a better course, and name the other course and tell me that it was superior in its content and execution. Surely this will benefit all those querying AOT.
No, I am not a founder of AOT!
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The difficulty with the industry is actually getting an interview. I have a job and it was the first interview I had after nearly two years of looking.
I am not questioning the integrity of the people running it but if these people are involved in running a major airline and they genuinely want to be helpful they could for starters reply to letters and CVs sent to them and communicate what their entry requirements are.
You can pass all the entry tests have a great CV,bags of confidence but if the interview panel think 'I would not want to work with this guy' you don't stand a chance. Now,for your £300 do you get an honest opinion of your personality? Do they tell you they wouldn't give you a job in a 1000 yrs because you are just too damn weird?
For those on the next course why not ask the main man how many low timers he hires, how many hours he likes,age,experience etc and post on pprune what he says. Now that would be usefull.
I am not questioning the integrity of the people running it but if these people are involved in running a major airline and they genuinely want to be helpful they could for starters reply to letters and CVs sent to them and communicate what their entry requirements are.
You can pass all the entry tests have a great CV,bags of confidence but if the interview panel think 'I would not want to work with this guy' you don't stand a chance. Now,for your £300 do you get an honest opinion of your personality? Do they tell you they wouldn't give you a job in a 1000 yrs because you are just too damn weird?
For those on the next course why not ask the main man how many low timers he hires, how many hours he likes,age,experience etc and post on pprune what he says. Now that would be usefull.
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Hi again - I can confirm that the people at AOT are straight up when it comes to assessing personality. Some are brutally honest, whilst others are a little more subtle!
In answer to your other questions, it would be nice to think that the airline they work for could dish out a goody bag, with a complimentary job in it at the end of the weekend! In reality, however, I think that everybody knows they are there to learn how to get through the recruitment process and NOT to actually get a job there and then.
The "main man" and others will answer your questions about requirements at theirs and other airlines. As you're probably aware, it's a hirer's market at present and the entry requirements for almost any company are highly dynamic - meaning a shortage of jobs equates to higher entry requirements for screening purposes. So, getting to the point again, if I got myself into one of those rare interview situations - I would want to be fully prepared. AOT have helped me enormously in that respect.
Weird personality? Different is not the same as weird. We all have personalities which can, broadly speaking, be defined and categorised. Scary, isn't it!? Different airlines are composed of staff conforming to a certain personality. You could say that there is an airline for each of the personality types. AOT will advise on this issue and coach you on how best to present yourself using your good points.
And finally... regarding airlines replying to letters and CVs, although I've received one or two "kindly" rejection letters out of the whole pile, I don't think that any of them have helped me in any way. So, forgive me if I don't quite get your point there!
I really can't blame you for being so cynical - that's how I was when deciding to part with good money!
Sorry to go on a bit, but that's my thinking on this!
Hi to all the folks who I don't remember having a beer with, after I dropped by on Sat night with Timmy and our P2's!! (and to Stan, Jon, Ted et al).
Cheers,
ETR
Hi again - I can confirm that the people at AOT are straight up when it comes to assessing personality. Some are brutally honest, whilst others are a little more subtle!
In answer to your other questions, it would be nice to think that the airline they work for could dish out a goody bag, with a complimentary job in it at the end of the weekend! In reality, however, I think that everybody knows they are there to learn how to get through the recruitment process and NOT to actually get a job there and then.
The "main man" and others will answer your questions about requirements at theirs and other airlines. As you're probably aware, it's a hirer's market at present and the entry requirements for almost any company are highly dynamic - meaning a shortage of jobs equates to higher entry requirements for screening purposes. So, getting to the point again, if I got myself into one of those rare interview situations - I would want to be fully prepared. AOT have helped me enormously in that respect.
Weird personality? Different is not the same as weird. We all have personalities which can, broadly speaking, be defined and categorised. Scary, isn't it!? Different airlines are composed of staff conforming to a certain personality. You could say that there is an airline for each of the personality types. AOT will advise on this issue and coach you on how best to present yourself using your good points.
And finally... regarding airlines replying to letters and CVs, although I've received one or two "kindly" rejection letters out of the whole pile, I don't think that any of them have helped me in any way. So, forgive me if I don't quite get your point there!
I really can't blame you for being so cynical - that's how I was when deciding to part with good money!
Sorry to go on a bit, but that's my thinking on this!
Hi to all the folks who I don't remember having a beer with, after I dropped by on Sat night with Timmy and our P2's!! (and to Stan, Jon, Ted et al).
Cheers,
ETR
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I was on the Easter course as well and to be honest I thought it was great. It helped show me my weaknesses and what I need to work on. I also shows you how tough it will be in the interview these guys asked some real probing questions and set you up for a fall. Then after they told you where you went wrong and how to get out of situations like that.
On top of that it was good to meet and talk to others on the course and the AOT guys about the curretn job situation and how it's starting to turn.
I am still completing my training but I found the course to be worth while and the invite for a free yes FREE refresher when you do manage to get that interview, I don't see many other companies doing that do you.
BUT it's your money and you only get one shot at an interview i think £300 is worth it even if it only helps a bit.
Hi to all the others on the Easter course hope your alll doing well and good luck. Oh I passed my exams and I am just waiting for the results to my second lot wish me luck.
On top of that it was good to meet and talk to others on the course and the AOT guys about the curretn job situation and how it's starting to turn.
I am still completing my training but I found the course to be worth while and the invite for a free yes FREE refresher when you do manage to get that interview, I don't see many other companies doing that do you.
BUT it's your money and you only get one shot at an interview i think £300 is worth it even if it only helps a bit.
Hi to all the others on the Easter course hope your alll doing well and good luck. Oh I passed my exams and I am just waiting for the results to my second lot wish me luck.
