Aviation Degree?
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Air Transport Operations degree
I've noticed that quite a few 'future airline pilots' are caught between going to uni and starting full time pilot training. As far as I know, the only related degree is Air Transport Operations at City Uni.
All the usual info (ie - entrance requirements etc) can be found in the prospectus - but a better way to really get to find out about the course is by taking to the current students.
I am one of the 5 students in the first year of the course and if there's enough interest, we would be willing to arrange an informal meeting with anyone who wants to learn more about the course. We can show you all around the university (from a students point of view) and give you a real run-down on the course!!!
If you're interested, just reply....
All the usual info (ie - entrance requirements etc) can be found in the prospectus - but a better way to really get to find out about the course is by taking to the current students.
I am one of the 5 students in the first year of the course and if there's enough interest, we would be willing to arrange an informal meeting with anyone who wants to learn more about the course. We can show you all around the university (from a students point of view) and give you a real run-down on the course!!!
If you're interested, just reply....
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"but a better way to really get to find out about the course is by taking to the current students." - if your not doing anything would you mind me taking to you? 
Seriously though, i am enrolled in a similar ATPL/uni degree, and find it's okay.. apart from the instructors/lecturers having a superiority complex. Many of the other students are also quickly becomming unhappy by the way they are treated, and to qoute a few "like mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed BS!" - which to an extent i agree with. I was wondering weather u have to suffer such dictator like conditions, and what your comments are about your course.. pros/cons .. although i have invested a huge amount of money in this training so far, and plan to follow it out. Im interested in other such degree's and if it's a common trait in them for students to be treated like this.
Thanx in advance
SPEEDRACA!
Seriously though, i am enrolled in a similar ATPL/uni degree, and find it's okay.. apart from the instructors/lecturers having a superiority complex. Many of the other students are also quickly becomming unhappy by the way they are treated, and to qoute a few "like mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed BS!" - which to an extent i agree with. I was wondering weather u have to suffer such dictator like conditions, and what your comments are about your course.. pros/cons .. although i have invested a huge amount of money in this training so far, and plan to follow it out. Im interested in other such degree's and if it's a common trait in them for students to be treated like this.
Thanx in advance
SPEEDRACA!
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Chunks,
You can do a Bachelor of Aviation through the University of Western Sydney. I know they give credit for flying experience and generally do not offer admission to the correspondence course to low timers (like me). But i did my Flight training in conjuncton with the degree in Oz and am now finishing by correspondence. Good degree, Human Factors, Management stuff, but v. expensive for non Ozzies.
This is the address for the faculty website
http://aviation.uws.edu.au/
You can do a Bachelor of Aviation through the University of Western Sydney. I know they give credit for flying experience and generally do not offer admission to the correspondence course to low timers (like me). But i did my Flight training in conjuncton with the degree in Oz and am now finishing by correspondence. Good degree, Human Factors, Management stuff, but v. expensive for non Ozzies.
This is the address for the faculty website
http://aviation.uws.edu.au/
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Edith Cowan University in WA Mount Lawley campus offers the best in Aviation Degrees.
I graduated last year and am now an Instructor. I walked into the job within 3 weeks of completing the degree.
Its all about networking. Get to know your lecturers, i did and look where it got me.
Ofcourse, nothing in aviation is ever promised, i.e. jobs etc...
Good luck!!
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Kick it straight!!!
I graduated last year and am now an Instructor. I walked into the job within 3 weeks of completing the degree.
Its all about networking. Get to know your lecturers, i did and look where it got me.
Ofcourse, nothing in aviation is ever promised, i.e. jobs etc...
Good luck!!
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Kick it straight!!!
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Loughborough University do a undergrauate BSc degree in "Air Transport Management" This is a four year sandwich degree, with a year in placement after completing year two. The year industry will lead to a recognised qualification - Diploma in industrial studies (DIS)
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I have to say I find this all rather depressing. In one of the most technically demanding professions on the planet, the opportunities for people to add to their qualifications once they're working seem to be few and far between.
I'm incidentally doing a distance PhD and have been for several years, with Southampton University (England) but this is a bit of a specialist thing and not much use to many people. Maybe we aught to rattle some cages at the RAeS.
G
I'm incidentally doing a distance PhD and have been for several years, with Southampton University (England) but this is a bit of a specialist thing and not much use to many people. Maybe we aught to rattle some cages at the RAeS.
G
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From: I stap nambaut lo sampela hap.
a330 the correct name is "Massey University School of Aviation" (refer your "Macee").
Based in Palmerston North or Auckland, New Zealand. I did their bachelor of aviation with major in aviation psychology. Although I spent 3 years full time, I think the part time course is 5 years depending on current licence/ratings.
They have a website
http://www.massey.ac.nz/aviation
I enjoyed my time their, narrowly missed out on Garuda Indonesia (which is no longer an option).
Some students had certain expectations, but like most things in life you get out of it, what you put in to it.
Chunk (like moniker), have a look at the website, try to talk to those who have done it, search the Dunnunda&Godzone forum which has posts on it.
Best of luck.
Based in Palmerston North or Auckland, New Zealand. I did their bachelor of aviation with major in aviation psychology. Although I spent 3 years full time, I think the part time course is 5 years depending on current licence/ratings.
They have a website
http://www.massey.ac.nz/aviation
I enjoyed my time their, narrowly missed out on Garuda Indonesia (which is no longer an option).
Some students had certain expectations, but like most things in life you get out of it, what you put in to it.
Chunk (like moniker), have a look at the website, try to talk to those who have done it, search the Dunnunda&Godzone forum which has posts on it.
Best of luck.
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Flight training including Degree
I'd like to know how Jacksonville University combine their 4 year Aviation degree with Comair Flight Academy? Do you train for your ratings straight after the degree or while its running?
Does it mean a degree+ATPL = 4 years in total?
Does it mean a degree+ATPL = 4 years in total?
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Air Transport Operations as a degree?
http://www.city.ac.uk/ugrad/engineering/operations.htm
Im sure some of you have seen this, I would seriously consider this to do in a few years time, but is this one of those degress that you wouldnt even put down on your cv unless you were applying to an airline? Should I just go for a degree in something else? Any thoughts you guys have on this I would really like to hear
Im sure some of you have seen this, I would seriously consider this to do in a few years time, but is this one of those degress that you wouldnt even put down on your cv unless you were applying to an airline? Should I just go for a degree in something else? Any thoughts you guys have on this I would really like to hear
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The main issue I would have with this course is that it appears that you do your ATPL's and CPL/IR in a 'sandwich year' i.e. your course will continue back at the university after you have completed all that is required for a fATPL.
If you are doing this course with the sole aim of gaining a fATPL, then you should keep it current. You will be in a university in central London, therefore if you don't have your own wheels getting to an airfield will be tricky. Also, when I was at university I certainly didn't have the necessary finances to fly, let alone those required to maintain an IR, nor will you likely have the flexibilty to get to an airfield when the weather is good/ac available/finances allow.
If you are doing this course with the sole aim of gaining a fATPL, then you should keep it current. You will be in a university in central London, therefore if you don't have your own wheels getting to an airfield will be tricky. Also, when I was at university I certainly didn't have the necessary finances to fly, let alone those required to maintain an IR, nor will you likely have the flexibilty to get to an airfield when the weather is good/ac available/finances allow.
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i shouldn't have thought it'd be worthless, being as you get your ATPL out of it. It's basically 2 years of studying at uni, and a year in between that you spend at the flying training school of your choice doing an integrated course. still gonna cost you the thick end of £70k, but you have a degree at the end of 3 years.
or, you could extend this time frame to 4 years and do a degree in whatever you liked but hopefully something remotely related to aviation and then do your ATPL after the degree.
i'm currently at Leeds Uni doing aviation technology with pilot studies. have a peek at this leeds uni web page(s) ...well worth thinking about if you want to a be a commercial pilot with a degree.
hth
Jim
or, you could extend this time frame to 4 years and do a degree in whatever you liked but hopefully something remotely related to aviation and then do your ATPL after the degree.
i'm currently at Leeds Uni doing aviation technology with pilot studies. have a peek at this leeds uni web page(s) ...well worth thinking about if you want to a be a commercial pilot with a degree.
hth
Jim
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One important feature of the Air Transport Operations course is that the third year at University is PART TIME. It has been designed so that you can start work immediately after completing your fATPL. It takes the form of intensive three day modules and students can take between 6 and 24 months to complete the third year.
All students who have done the course have had full-time jobs in their final year, ie they are earning money - and one is even earning money flying!
BTW you can do the fATPL modular as well as integrated.
All students who have done the course have had full-time jobs in their final year, ie they are earning money - and one is even earning money flying!
BTW you can do the fATPL modular as well as integrated.
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That degree at Leeds looks quite intresting actully, it seems similar to the one at City but more in depth as it is a full 3 year degree, where as the City one is only really 1 year. Maybe that is something to consider.
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I don't think you can classify the City degree as "only really 1 year"! Ask anyone about the workload of the ATPL groundschool. That easily equates to one year at University so you may as well put all that effort towards a degree as well.
The third year, although part time, includes a lot of project work that you have to undertake in your own time.
No reputable University would award an Honours degree for just one year's work!!
City will have a stand at the Flyer exhibition on 6th November. Why not go and find out more about it?
The third year, although part time, includes a lot of project work that you have to undertake in your own time.
No reputable University would award an Honours degree for just one year's work!!
City will have a stand at the Flyer exhibition on 6th November. Why not go and find out more about it?