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I find your claims of corruption and illegality unsubstantiated
First, let us look at
That would be illegal under Spanish law. I recall the minimum wage is about 650 euro / month. Now the only way to verify this would be an inspection by the Ministerio de Empleo, to see whether indeed the employees are working a whole month @ 40 hours per week. Have you worked there ? Could you post a timesheet of an employee there ?
If you have evidence to underpin your allegations, you can complain directly to them, no need to post it anonymously on a forum.
They look like a serious flight school to me. In fact, their banner on the IR(A) course is an excerpt from the fun part of the LOC/DME 26 approach at LOWI, which shows their commitment to pan-european training 
Now, you are also accusing them of corruption, and implying that they are dishonest. Any chance of giving some concrete facts there ?
I can see you're unhappy about the current employment prospects in aviation in Spain, but I fail to see why this should lead to
- organizing a boycott of a flight school that is probably desperate trying to make ends meet; and
- claiming that you somehow have the moral high ground to do this.
I disagree with your premise that flight instructor is a job like any other. Because gaining flight experience is both expensive and very much in demand, it can be expected that flight instructor opportunities are going to be highly competitive, to the point of paying minimum wage only, in spite of the technical requirements.
But that is nothing new. It's just that the crisis in Spain (with youth unemployment unfortunately reaching new heights) exacerbates the situation.
In spite of not agreeing with your post, I wish you the best in your career, aviation or elsewhere...
350 euros per month working 40 hours per week
If you have evidence to underpin your allegations, you can complain directly to them, no need to post it anonymously on a forum.
So please dont go to PANAMEDIA, they are serious flight schools in Spain.
the owner of a businees must be honest always. If we have honesty our business will always progress and if not at list we have a clean conscience, but some persons are selfish, superficial, hostile...
I can see you're unhappy about the current employment prospects in aviation in Spain, but I fail to see why this should lead to
- organizing a boycott of a flight school that is probably desperate trying to make ends meet; and
- claiming that you somehow have the moral high ground to do this.
I disagree with your premise that flight instructor is a job like any other. Because gaining flight experience is both expensive and very much in demand, it can be expected that flight instructor opportunities are going to be highly competitive, to the point of paying minimum wage only, in spite of the technical requirements.
But that is nothing new. It's just that the crisis in Spain (with youth unemployment unfortunately reaching new heights) exacerbates the situation.
In spite of not agreeing with your post, I wish you the best in your career, aviation or elsewhere...
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The reason to talk about it in a forum, is to:
1. Let all the pilots know that is better to avoid this school
2. I know that if the ownwer read this maybe think uhhh is better to follow the law because apart form 350 euros a month in the contract appears that they only work for 5 hours a week. So he pay less
3. Soon I will post a letter in english and Spanish that we can post to the work inspector in anonymous way. So I think if he receive 50 letters he will have a look to the school and maybe this situation will solve.
1. Let all the pilots know that is better to avoid this school
2. I know that if the ownwer read this maybe think uhhh is better to follow the law because apart form 350 euros a month in the contract appears that they only work for 5 hours a week. So he pay less
3. Soon I will post a letter in english and Spanish that we can post to the work inspector in anonymous way. So I think if he receive 50 letters he will have a look to the school and maybe this situation will solve.
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1. Let all the pilots know that is better to avoid this school
By the same reasoning, you can argue that we shouldn't fly Ryanair, that we shouldn't drink tea or coffee unless it has a fairtrade seal, etc... But I don't think that makes a convincing argument.
2. I know that if the ownwer read this maybe think uhhh is better to follow the law because apart form 350 euros a month in the contract appears that they only work for 5 hours a week. So he pay less
3. Soon I will post a letter in english and Spanish that we can post to the work inspector in anonymous way. So I think if he receive 50 letters he will have a look to the school and maybe this situation will solve.
What you could do (and which I advise you to do) is write a properly signed official complaint letter, stating your experiences and attaching your evidence.
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Tu-154,
add on top of that the organization, quality of maintenance, status of equipment... (or lack thereof).
Nevertheless most Spanish FTOs must be crowded with customers because I have e-mailed and phoned 3 of them (including Panamedia) to enquiry about FI rating renewal and no way I could get hold of anyone.
On the other hand, are we talking 50k/year for a VFR instructor, or are we talking about CRI/IRI?
Cheers / Pablo
add on top of that the organization, quality of maintenance, status of equipment... (or lack thereof).
Nevertheless most Spanish FTOs must be crowded with customers because I have e-mailed and phoned 3 of them (including Panamedia) to enquiry about FI rating renewal and no way I could get hold of anyone.
On the other hand, are we talking 50k/year for a VFR instructor, or are we talking about CRI/IRI?
Cheers / Pablo
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I was about to say... I know some Spanish instructors making over €40,000 annually. We are not all working for a pittance. I have to admit though, I do know of another school nearby where I live that was offering barely over minimum wage for flight instructors, as they were doing their best to be the cheapest school around. Needless to say, I think it is starting to bite them in the arse. You get what you pay for.
