MCC course at European Skybus
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MCC course at European Skybus
I have just finished off my MCC & just a quick note to say that for anyone considering an MCC course - the MCC at European Skybus is absolutely superb. Conducted in the 6 axis, fully certified zero flight time, 737-200ADV simulator, I found it an excellent introduction to the extra performance and inertia involved with flying a larger aircraft whilst learning the necessary Multi Crew operations.
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Thats great to hear , iv just booked the MCC-JOC at the end of March. In all fairness i had only heard good things about them , does anyone know any pitfalls to beware of or are they as good as the reviews??
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please update your career when able
There is a lot of controversy around MCC and any positive spin would be worthy of your input into PP forums.
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What response from potential employers.
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Back up all comments did my MCC there early last year, had a wonderful time and heaps of free time in the sim for free ! as well a free go on the 747 sim as big thumbs up. ( only the two of us on my coarse though so that prob helped so a small tips when booking find out the numbers the smaller the better.)
( only the two of us on my coarse though so that prob helped so a small tips when booking find out the numbers the smaller the better.)
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Hey,
The only thing I could add (which is abit obvious really) is to use the course to really learn how to work together as part of a crew, as I suppose this is the best chance you get before any possible sim assesments.
I reckon you'll enjoy the course though
The only thing I could add (which is abit obvious really) is to use the course to really learn how to work together as part of a crew, as I suppose this is the best chance you get before any possible sim assesments.
I reckon you'll enjoy the course though
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You'll have to excuse a little bit of thread drift, but why can't you walk out of an MCC course with a type rating? To learn to be nice another person and not call them a knob too often is all very well and good but if you are actually in a proper sim, why not do something really constructive? Does any MCC course provider (apart from KLS) offer this as an option?
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"....why can't you walk out of an MCC course with a type rating?"
The original intention of the JAA was that combined training should be the norm, which is why they halved the training requirement if it was. Unfortunately, however, they reckoned without the UK training industry's knack of making a quick buck coupled with the airlines' reluctance to invest in training with the result that cheap, self-sponsored modular training, using mainly unsuitable FNPT IIs, became the norm.
Type rating training, including any combined MCC, has to be given by a high-priced TRI whereas the modular MCC course can be conducted by a much cheaper MCCI.
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Having completed a MCC at European on their 737-200, I second Merritt as I was really impressed with the setup there.
The instructors are top notch, really dedicated and they give you that "airline feel" that makes things closer to real airline operations.
I got employment since then and the 737-200 surely was a very valuable experience.
The last day is conducted as LOFT (Line oriented flight training) and this is very close to what the airlines want you to do during an assessment.
Some will do very expensive MCCs on full Efis aircraft (i.e. 737NG / A320) but I think European gives you all you need to pass an assessment. Well then that's up to you and your finances, but a full-motion 737 MCC for such low prices, in an airline environment, this is a great opportunity I think.
I haven't been asked to write anything on here, but they surely deserve some positive feedback.
The sim is old as said before, but it works fine, no problem whatsoever for me or my friends who did their MCC there as well.
If you are tight on money, save the money from an expensive MCC, and use that when you are called for an assessment to buy a few hours on type (in a sim). That is probably much more valuable than buying 40 hrs on a 737-400 MCC/JOC and not doing any sim time before an assessment.
Just my two cents...
By the way, as I booked my MCC in advance (last winter), they had the sim available on that day and offered me one hour in to see what it was like.
Some of my friends got a chance to have a go on the 747-200 as well (for free).
Here's what the 737-200 looks like:
The instructors are top notch, really dedicated and they give you that "airline feel" that makes things closer to real airline operations.
I got employment since then and the 737-200 surely was a very valuable experience.
The last day is conducted as LOFT (Line oriented flight training) and this is very close to what the airlines want you to do during an assessment.
Some will do very expensive MCCs on full Efis aircraft (i.e. 737NG / A320) but I think European gives you all you need to pass an assessment. Well then that's up to you and your finances, but a full-motion 737 MCC for such low prices, in an airline environment, this is a great opportunity I think.
I haven't been asked to write anything on here, but they surely deserve some positive feedback.
The sim is old as said before, but it works fine, no problem whatsoever for me or my friends who did their MCC there as well.
If you are tight on money, save the money from an expensive MCC, and use that when you are called for an assessment to buy a few hours on type (in a sim). That is probably much more valuable than buying 40 hrs on a 737-400 MCC/JOC and not doing any sim time before an assessment.
Just my two cents...
By the way, as I booked my MCC in advance (last winter), they had the sim available on that day and offered me one hour in to see what it was like.
Some of my friends got a chance to have a go on the 747-200 as well (for free).
Here's what the 737-200 looks like:
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I looked at doing my MCC there but decided not to based upon the fact that it's an old sim with analogue dials. I'd also been told by someone that did there course there that the instructors talk down a bit to you? I've not had any experience of EFIS so opted to do my MCC on a full EFIS sim. I did it and found the experience/exposure invaluable. My ambition is to get a job with an airline carrier so the assessment will probably be done on 737-800 or AB320 which will be EFIS. It was also cheaper
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I really wouldn't worry about doing the MCC in an EFIS, unless of course you just fancy it.
I did my MCC at European and was then successful in getting a job a few months later, the selection process included a sim assessment on a 737 NG with EFIS (outsourced to a well known school).
I'm not even sure having done the MCC in a 737 helped with the assessment. I've since been given the "report" and basically they are looking for you to interact during the briefing (ask questions etc), and then show a positive learning curve in the sim (ie get better). At the end they look to see if you can assess yourself and critique your performance.
They don't expect you to know the aircraft.
I did my MCC at European and was then successful in getting a job a few months later, the selection process included a sim assessment on a 737 NG with EFIS (outsourced to a well known school).
I'm not even sure having done the MCC in a 737 helped with the assessment. I've since been given the "report" and basically they are looking for you to interact during the briefing (ask questions etc), and then show a positive learning curve in the sim (ie get better). At the end they look to see if you can assess yourself and critique your performance.
They don't expect you to know the aircraft.