JAA IR then FAA IR or vice-versa??
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JAA IR then FAA IR or vice-versa??
Hello to everyone:
Please I need some advise regarding JAA IR and FAA IR.
What is better to do first? The JAA IR (about 8500€ in portugal) and then convert the license to FAA IR?? Or do the FAA IR and then convert to JAA flying at least 15 hours, wich 5 may be in simulator and 10 in airplane??? I do have all the 14 ATPL theory and JAA PPL. IN terms of money wich is better?? In USA you got the FAA IR for about $8600 but i dont know if those 15 hours (at least) increase the value of the JAA IR.
Another question is which are the procedures to convert from JAA IR to FAA IR??
Thanks for your answers!
Please I need some advise regarding JAA IR and FAA IR.
What is better to do first? The JAA IR (about 8500€ in portugal) and then convert the license to FAA IR?? Or do the FAA IR and then convert to JAA flying at least 15 hours, wich 5 may be in simulator and 10 in airplane??? I do have all the 14 ATPL theory and JAA PPL. IN terms of money wich is better?? In USA you got the FAA IR for about $8600 but i dont know if those 15 hours (at least) increase the value of the JAA IR.
Another question is which are the procedures to convert from JAA IR to FAA IR??
Thanks for your answers!
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Where do you want to work, Europe or USA?
If you already have a JAA IR, then an FAA IR is useless to you unless you actually want to (and have the right to) fly commercially in the USA
If you already have a JAA IR, then an FAA IR is useless to you unless you actually want to (and have the right to) fly commercially in the USA
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I do not have the JAA IR already, but I want to do it, but i don`t know where, in USA or in Europe? Which way is better, first JAA IR and then FAA IR or viceversa?. I want to work where there is job, maybe in europe, maybe in america. I am happy to travel.
And I always thought that have both JAA and FAA open many doors, and open the world. Regards
And I always thought that have both JAA and FAA open many doors, and open the world. Regards
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I want to work where there is job, maybe in europe, maybe in america. I am happy to travel.
Assuming that you are Portuguese, you need a JAA licence. There's no point applying for jobs in other countries, let alone training for their pilot licences, unless you also have the right to live and work there.
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unless you have one of those then you can spend all the money you want on FAA licences
There's no point applying for jobs in other countries, let alone training for their pilot licences, unless you also have the right to live and work there
What is this?? the inquisition? I am free to apply where i want to apply, and free to get licenses from where i want, not your problem.
This is an aviation forum, and i just made a question, a doubt about aviation and not about inmigrations issues. sorry if you cry if foreign pilots go to america without your permission. Regards
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Maverick.
Take the advice, and don't slag off useful posters.
I have both a FAA and JAA CPL ME IR and clearly you don't see the big picture. Don't get into this uninformed.
a.) as mentioned you will not be able to work in the US as a pilot unless you hold a green card or have their citizenship.
And no, you won't get it unless you are highly qualified in another field of work that the US would be interested in having you for. It's the biggest market in the world aviation-wise, and they don't lack young, eager pilots by any means. No need for foreigners there - it's never been a level playing field for non-US citizens.
b.) I take it you have around 150-200 hours flying experience, and maybe have not noticed, but in the US any first officer has to have a LEGAL MINIMUM (!!!) of 1500 hrs TT! You'll not score an airline job unless you have that and the right to live and work there.
Do the JAA ticket and not the FAA unless you fulfill either of the two above.
Take the advice, and don't slag off useful posters.
I have both a FAA and JAA CPL ME IR and clearly you don't see the big picture. Don't get into this uninformed.
a.) as mentioned you will not be able to work in the US as a pilot unless you hold a green card or have their citizenship.
And no, you won't get it unless you are highly qualified in another field of work that the US would be interested in having you for. It's the biggest market in the world aviation-wise, and they don't lack young, eager pilots by any means. No need for foreigners there - it's never been a level playing field for non-US citizens.
b.) I take it you have around 150-200 hours flying experience, and maybe have not noticed, but in the US any first officer has to have a LEGAL MINIMUM (!!!) of 1500 hrs TT! You'll not score an airline job unless you have that and the right to live and work there.
Do the JAA ticket and not the FAA unless you fulfill either of the two above.
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Pprune ministry of misinformation strikes again.
Correct you won't get employed in the US. However there are still a number of N registered aircraft based in Europe, which you will require an FAA CPL/IR to operate on a commercial bases; again these sort of jobs are not likely to go to low timers but these do exist. A colleague of mine flies PC12s for a few different private owners, all of these PC12s are on the N register and are UK based.
So do the FAA IR first, then convert to a JAA IR, it wont be necessarily be any cheaper than doing a straight JAA IR, but at the same time it won't cost you any more. You will have the hassle of two IR test, but when you have built up some hours in the future, it may open up some avenues for operating N registered aircraft based in Europe.
Correct you won't get employed in the US. However there are still a number of N registered aircraft based in Europe, which you will require an FAA CPL/IR to operate on a commercial bases; again these sort of jobs are not likely to go to low timers but these do exist. A colleague of mine flies PC12s for a few different private owners, all of these PC12s are on the N register and are UK based.
So do the FAA IR first, then convert to a JAA IR, it wont be necessarily be any cheaper than doing a straight JAA IR, but at the same time it won't cost you any more. You will have the hassle of two IR test, but when you have built up some hours in the future, it may open up some avenues for operating N registered aircraft based in Europe.
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PHF is correct of course, there is the option of N-reg business jets in Europe (as long as the EASA thingy doesn't get out of control at least), however as mentioned they are normally not an option for low-time pilots, mostly already due to insurance issues.
I know a Citation X operation with a N reg which has a min. of 4000hrs TT for F/Os due to the insurance requirements.
Secondly, as you get more egliable for these jobs over the years, converting your JAA CPL / ATPL to a FAA one is really not much of a big deal should the opportunity arise.
As I said, I hold both, and wouldn't want to miss my flying experience in the US, however unless you have a serious point about why it gives you an advantage now I wouldn't do it.
I know a Citation X operation with a N reg which has a min. of 4000hrs TT for F/Os due to the insurance requirements.
Secondly, as you get more egliable for these jobs over the years, converting your JAA CPL / ATPL to a FAA one is really not much of a big deal should the opportunity arise.
As I said, I hold both, and wouldn't want to miss my flying experience in the US, however unless you have a serious point about why it gives you an advantage now I wouldn't do it.
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Dear Maverick
I am sorry I upset you
Of course you are right, you can definitely maximise your employment opportunities by having FAA and JAA IR's.
I would suggest that you do the FAA one first because it's the cheapest, then you can spend some time applying for jobs in the USA. If that doesnt work out for you and since you're "happy to travel" then maybe you should consider some other country licences like Australia or South Africa, do the IR and apply for some jobs down there, I heard there will be a lot of jobs coming up in the next few years.
The JAA IR is the most difficult and expensive one so you should leave that til the last, until you've done all the other IRs and seen what the job market is like in those countries where you chose to travel to.
Please do come back here on PPRUNE and tell us what you find, we will all be very interested to hear how you got on.
I am sorry I upset you
Of course you are right, you can definitely maximise your employment opportunities by having FAA and JAA IR's.
I would suggest that you do the FAA one first because it's the cheapest, then you can spend some time applying for jobs in the USA. If that doesnt work out for you and since you're "happy to travel" then maybe you should consider some other country licences like Australia or South Africa, do the IR and apply for some jobs down there, I heard there will be a lot of jobs coming up in the next few years.
The JAA IR is the most difficult and expensive one so you should leave that til the last, until you've done all the other IRs and seen what the job market is like in those countries where you chose to travel to.
Please do come back here on PPRUNE and tell us what you find, we will all be very interested to hear how you got on.
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faa is definatley still the way to go if you are happy to travel, theres a ton of faa registered aircraft operating worldwide in places where you will not require a us passport or green card. In contrast few JAA registered aircraft operate outside of europe when it comes to basing. I know British passport holders who only hold faa licences and have flown professionally across the globe.
However I would personally do a JAA first as the standard is so much higher, going to spain or portugal is a great ideal as this keeps the cost realistic, you will get your fingers burnt in the uk, trust me I learnt the hard way!!!
Converting a JAA CPL IR to a stand alone FAA CPL IR requires a medical, two ground exams, 2 flight tests plus a minnimum of two hours training in the 90 days prior to both cpl and ir flight test to cover the differences. In short the coversion is cheaper and shorter.
However I would personally do a JAA first as the standard is so much higher, going to spain or portugal is a great ideal as this keeps the cost realistic, you will get your fingers burnt in the uk, trust me I learnt the hard way!!!
Converting a JAA CPL IR to a stand alone FAA CPL IR requires a medical, two ground exams, 2 flight tests plus a minnimum of two hours training in the 90 days prior to both cpl and ir flight test to cover the differences. In short the coversion is cheaper and shorter.
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The N registered business jets has already been metioned, I would also add that in the future as you aquire type ratings in various aircraft the FAA certificate can be used to maintain a type rating. JAA types I believe are only on your license for 5 years, FAA types are yours to keep for good. This may see academic to some, but the way I see it is if you earned a type its yours. As far as having both JAA and FAA, if you have the means, and most importantly a good reason to get both why not, just don't throw your money at some flight school that promises you the stars, and in the end all you get is a no thank you.
Let me tell some of the prunners hear something about green cards. I do not dispute we all need our proper work papers, either of the high european pedigree, or the god bless america, these colours don't run type of papers. I have flown with great pilots from both sides of the pound. Let's remember that our business was developed to open up the world to markets and people, if you have a problem being a Xer, find a new career and let the more educated fly airplanes for a living. There are plenty of back water towns on both sides of the Atlantic.
Peace my friends
Let me tell some of the prunners hear something about green cards. I do not dispute we all need our proper work papers, either of the high european pedigree, or the god bless america, these colours don't run type of papers. I have flown with great pilots from both sides of the pound. Let's remember that our business was developed to open up the world to markets and people, if you have a problem being a Xer, find a new career and let the more educated fly airplanes for a living. There are plenty of back water towns on both sides of the Atlantic.
Peace my friends
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Lots of good information guys, tnx
I still would like to ask if you guys have any experience of my situation. I have CPL ME IFR sone with 220hours in Canada and i thinking to do JAA ATPL theory next. I am from Finland and i would like to be able to work in Europe as well..
What you guys think what should be smart to do next?
In Canada it is coming jobs available and always has bush pilot jobs. Still i would like to check opportunity to work in Europe, or at least get that license to be able to work there.
That was great point to tell before that wih working by FAA license requires Green card. I feeling happy that i came to make training in Canada and was lucky with flight schools.
What you guys think what should be smart to do next?
In Canada it is coming jobs available and always has bush pilot jobs. Still i would like to check opportunity to work in Europe, or at least get that license to be able to work there.
That was great point to tell before that wih working by FAA license requires Green card. I feeling happy that i came to make training in Canada and was lucky with flight schools.
