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Old 8th Nov 2022, 17:46
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
Every single thing you mention in this post was already mentioned on this forum over 3 yrs ago now. It's nothing new, unfortunately it seems you just didn't look for/find it ... anyhow, you will finish your training at some point. I know all about these problems, you will get there in the end though.

I totally agree withmindaugenius and actually he didn't even mentioned everything as it is just endless.
What is new, is that now the situation has worsen, so if it was worse before imagine what it is now.
BAA Training is now using special attorney to help them scam their students legally.

And Yes you are right we got there in the end but because WE HAD NO CHOICE! I'd like to see you investing more than 100K(Training fee, accommodation and other expenses for 2 years) having made a mortgage, money borrowed from relatives and friends and to decide to GIVE UP.

If BAA would have refund us, NO A SINGLE ONE would have gone to the end like you said.

I am not saying that 100% have been scammed or had very bad experience with BAA TRAINING, But when you make some statistics and realised that the biggest majority is unsatisfied, something is definitely wrong.

Yes if we didn't like the school we shouldn't have signed up. And that's the reason of students from this school raise up their voice. Because we got blinded and scammed and WE DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE getting the same experience.

Any ATO/ flights school has they own issues. Some are delays with theories, others with maintenance and not flying, some others is bad instructors.

But BAA TRAINING IS ALL OF THEM and X1000000.

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Old 8th Nov 2022, 17:56
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I support all the BAA students and ex-students that are unhappy with their training generally because they are just telling the truth and what the majority is experiencing, just look at how many happy comments you can find vs bad ones.

At the end of the day, it's your money. It's like your ass, you give to who you want, it's your choice. No offense.

We, just as a pilot community, are trying to warn people in the hope you'll get a better way to the cockpit and learn from others mistakes. If you don't understand that concept (learning from others mistakes) you probably have nothing to do here in Aviation.

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Honestly that wasn't my experience at all, I had no issue with jobs after graduating.
Glad to hear but we all know that they are not a great outfit
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
Guys, I myself went to BAA and went through the Lleida movie etc. I sat for 4 months with not 1 flight hr. I took a flight to go there to train and rented an apartment (paid deposit etc) in preparation for the next phase only to show up at the briefing and be told "actually you are now rescheduled until after Christmas". Bye bye deposit, time to get another flight home and somehow explain it all to my family. Me and many of my colleagues at the time posted many warnings about what was going on. If anyone chose to ignore that's fine, but nobody can claim there was no warning. We witnessed serious management changes (and their best senior instructors all quitting) and raised the flag that prospective students should stay away. You took the risk to ignore the warnings and now it is backfiring.

Anyhow, all of my class did find jobs in the end, the only ones still unemployed have visa (non EU/UK) issues. In fact I know very few unemployed even from classes before and after me, the ones who are got laid off by wizz during covid, nothing to do with BAA.​​​​​​​

I do genuinely hope it works out for you guys and you get get into the job market as quickly as possible.​​​​​​​
at least they told you when you can be expected to be scheduled again and you could go back home. If your situation happened to someone now they'd just say mañana mañana you will be scheduled , make you come all the way to the airport the next days and after, cancel you and repeat the same mantra and make you sit in Lleida till Christmas and beyond. And if you do go home, they won't even schedule you anymore because " we told you that you will be scheduled tomorrow so why did you go home"
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at least they told you when you can be expected to be scheduled again and you could go back home. If your situation happened to someone now they'd just say mañana mañana you will be scheduled , make you come all the way to the airport the next days and after, cancel you and repeat the same mantra and make you sit in Lleida till Christmas and beyond. And if you do go home, they won't even schedule you anymore because " we told you that you will be scheduled tomorrow so why did you go home"
You are describing exactly what has happened in Lleida since day 1 of operations in 2018. Students sitting around going each day to see if they'll fly. Constantly checking the schedule to see if their name is on it. Even some students fighting and trying to step on one another to get lessons before each other. Suddenly your instructor has quit. Eventually you get another .. but the schedule guy seems to have forgotten about you (he schedules students he likes). Eventually you get an instructor and a slot, you show up to fly but sorry the plane is now tech and it'll take 3 days to fix. Plane is good now? Hang on, we're in a cloud now .. no flying today. This has been happening there for 4 yrs. We also went about 4 months with no mep training (late 2018/early 19). Not a single lesson completed. One crashed and the other was tech. Not a single person ever finished or trained on the date they got told.
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
You are describing exactly what has happened in Lleida since day 1 of operations in 2018. Students sitting around going each day to see if they'll fly. Constantly checking the schedule to see if their name is on it. Even some students fighting and trying to step on one another to get lessons before each other. Suddenly your instructor has quit. Eventually you get another .. but the schedule guy seems to have forgotten about you (he schedules students he likes). Eventually you get an instructor and a slot, you show up to fly but sorry the plane is now tech and it'll take 3 days to fix. Plane is good now? Hang on, we're in a cloud now .. no flying today. This has been happening there for 4 yrs. We also went about 4 months with no mep training (late 2018/early 19). Not a single lesson completed. One crashed and the other was tech. Not a single person ever finished or trained on the date they got told.
and if you manage to bring this up to the managements all they'll say is " but this is what you have signed up for" " this is aviation"
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BAA and its cadets programs are just a scam, cadets program being just a bait for the future pilots full of ambition and passion for the job. Wizz air ran away from them , Turkish airlines did the same , the poor management of this school and its incompetent managers is impossible to hide , as this has been mentionned lots of times in this thread. They will reply to your first emails at the speed of light , but as soon as the money is sent you will find out that they will reply less and less and at one point you will be left alone , this is how they work .

To make it short for anyone interested in BAA,: GO AWAY FROM THIS SCHOOL:as independant or cadet programs, it will be one of the best choices you have ever met in your avaition life ( btw its Vueling and Volotea but they love BAA so much that they hide themselves from it , and the new avion express program , i will take care of explaining you what happened to one of my classmates you won't be dissapointed)

BAA flight school: Theory: Used to be quite balanced in term of content during my time there ( about 2 years ago) : instructors were average , some good , some didnt know why they were standing in a classroom .... The management was quite poor , difficult to get a planning or help about anything..
Flight Training: I won't be long on that one , 95% of whats mentionned about in LLieda base and all the management around is absolutely true, very chaotic especially if you start vfr in november... good luck.

The big highlight of BAA to me would be the lack of communication and informations, as a customer you are left on the side like a kid , no matter how much you paid , how long you have been with them, they don't care , emails are useless as you don't get answered, not much more chances for the calls , the only solution is to see the managers in person that only manage to do a big smile saying they are sorry and everything will be ok , or the famous : this is aviation...

BAA Type Rating via Avion express: This is the spicy one , to make it short its what happened recently to one of my classmates that got enrolled in Avion express cadet program somewhere in 2018, Avion promised him and other cadets to get a F/O postition as well as 500h on A320 after the succesful completion of all the training+Type rating ( which is succeed without any problem). Very attractive isn't? So he made all his training without issues, reports got sent to Avion every months ( or they pretend to). Unfortunately when he finished his training ( 2 years ago or something like that) Covid slowed down terribly all operations, and they put the cadets on standby until may or june this year , calling him and other cadets for the type rating (29 000 euros from their pocket by the way), he passed the type rating through baa type rating, which is apprently the same disaster as baa flight school in terms of information , support and professionalism, in the middle of the type rating , avion asked him to do a full set of interviews and online tests ( mentionned nowhere in the contract and that was said verbally to be happening in december or january) The test were not as prepared as they should have been as it got mentionned barely a week before, difficult to prepare something else than type rating for those who have been through it ...
He passed without issues the skill test in october if im correct , and the week after he got an email from Avion saying bye bye thank you for your interest without any reason , neither second chance...To summarize this guy is now jobless , with an a320 type rating paid for 29 000 euros. So be really carefull guys, this friend was really serious and dedicated for this job and they didn't let him it ... Fortunately for my case i didnt choosed avion and im now flying for another airline as i got lucky, but i find it relevant to let you know about whats happening behind the scenes in BAA and their partners, remember :BAA , Avion Express and Smartlynx are all part of the same company :Avia Solutions Group.

His base training part is also very funny if i dare to say that : he got notified 6 days before only , ( all expenses to be for the trainee account of course) to be in Lleida Spain. And upon landing in BCN the evening of the day before him and his mates got an email of cancellation due to the provider of the plane to able to give one)... he lost around 350 euros for that messy planning and found out a day after that other guys from Avion did the Base Training on the dates my friend had been given before.....3 weeks passed since this happened and he is unable to reachout managers there to get any informations and he is waiting at home, cannot find a job due to the short notice of BAA, and wasting time and money , this is really terrible.

I thought it was necessary for the sake of aviation to add comment and experiences from pilots that passed in BAA , in order to avoid people to fall in that scam, there are other flight schools in europe way better than BAA , be reminded that BAA is only good at marketing, once the money send, be ready to be treated like nothing but a number.

Avoid BAA at all costs , and fly safe !

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Old 25th Nov 2022, 20:48
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Good points cavok370 Let's hope future potential students pay attention to these warnings, unlike those who joined in 2018 and ignored all of the warnings given at the time about the chaos. Also, I'd stay away from all the large schools. L3, CAE, BAA, etc, all a disaster and have the same modus operandi. The other schools, unlike BAA, however, are very good at tracking who is who on here and so their students are too scared to post anything.
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LOL they're trying to lure in more students now with a fake cadet program with Vueling. Before anyone takes the bait, ask the management if any of their LOT cadets got a job with LOT
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You mean he was a former Avion express cadet from the 2018-ish period, got finally invited to pass TR this year and got screwed right in the middle of the TR training with just no explanation at all from the company ? I would understand that an external airline (out of Avia Solution Group) revoks partnerships, but EVEN sister companies too? Or is it another reason why your friend didn't get his chance ? What about the others? I thought some Avion express cadets already joined the airline and were currently happily flying for them.

Good luck to the last Avion express cadets still in the pool if there are some...

At this stage I really wonder why is BAA still standing up...Maybe Smartlynx is the last real cadet program worth mentionning the name "cadet program"...and yet, I know a lot of former Avion Epress joined eventually this company instead. They just passed the selection at their ATO with success. So no need for the long, exhausting and pricey integrated ATPL program at BAA prior to join Smartlynx.

BAA had everything into their hands during those golden years (2017-2019) with Wizz, Avion express, Smartlynx, Turkish, Lot...At the end, what remains from these partnerships? Nothing. Because they were so dodgy, they lost both students and airlines confidence. They had everything to compete with the CAE/FTE/L3 ATO stars in terms of job opportunities and partnerships.

This is just sad, this is such a waste. I almost feel sorry for them
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Hi guys!
We are now in 2023... Can anyone gives a honest update on ab-initio training at BAA? How is situation with flying in Spain and Lithuania?
Really appreciate your response as making a decision to enroll into they program or not...
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Hi guys!
We are now in 2023... Can anyone gives a honest update on ab-initio training at BAA? How is situation with flying in Spain and Lithuania?
Really appreciate your response as making a decision to enroll into they program or not...
hey mate I graduate end of december and I adivse against it. Groundschool was okay for me and to befair its high quality but the flight training is a disaster. Although one of the main ground school instructors who taught gnav and almost half of the subjects has left the school for a job in an airline so idk if it will be of the same quality now .
If you are in contact with the managers just ask them what their fleet it? in their website theysay 8 cessnas and 2 mep. in reailty 3 cessna and 0 mep. ask them why are they false advertising. ask them what % of the fleet they fly. Ask them about maintenance, each plane has to go to maintenance after 50h in service, ask them where do these planes go and how long it takes to get them back. What happens if a plane breaks down at base, how long does it take to get it fixed? Why do they not have maintenance at in Lleida? Ask about the weather in Lleida, summer heat and how does this affect flying, what about the winter fog and cancellations because of that. About cadet programs ask about the success of LOT cadets. Did these cadets get a job as they were advertising? How does BAA help their graduates in finding a job? Ask them also about your rights, in your contract you have none, ask them what happens if there is a delay due to BAA's fault?
They have modified the contract so that nothing is BAA's fault. "Oh we are not responsible for delay if its weather" oh but you chose a base where the temperature goes above 40c in the summer and prone to strong stroms (period lasts about 3 weeks) and where it gets so foggy in the winter that you cannot see 6 meters in front of you and this fog lasts the entire day (period lasts 2-3 months), and both of these phenoma ofc cancel all the flights. "We are not responsible for delay for maintenance" yes but you donyt have maintainence at base and you have to ferry the aircraft to other airports for maintaincance and as well you pay for cheap and poor quality maintainance, so when theaircraft does come back it breaks down again after 2-3 days. " We are not responsible if instructor not availaible" you treated all the insrtuctors like **** with bad salary and rostering and when the airlines opened their doors they all left. This is the contract part. you have no way to beat this. nothing is their fault in case of delay and everything is your fault. If you bring this problem up, they will 'forget' to schedule you and not answer your calls emails texts etc.
The multi crewcoordination course is arranged in barcelona. The simulator and the facility is amazing but this is meant for type rating candidates NOT ab initio students. As an ab initio student , even though you have already paid for this, you will be on the bottom of the priority list and ALL the simulator schedules will be filled by type rating candidates or recurrent trainees. They will give you odd hours in short notice like at 8pm theyll tell you ok you have MCC course tomorrow in barcelona at 4am. you arrange your own transportation, accommodation in this period.
In an integrated course if you are uhappy with a school you cannot switch to another school, well theoretically but it is a hassle and youd have to start training from ground 0. It's better to go modular and not to pay up front.
If you really want to deal with BAA then you have to agree to NOT to pay upfront. I emphasise this. You are only a customer before giving the money, after paying you are a liability.
But aswell it doesnt make sense to do training with BAA, it is not fast nor is it cheap. A cadet program does not even land you at the airline they promised you. I suggest to look elsewhere.
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We are now in 2023... Can anyone gives a honest update on ab-initio training at BAA? How is situation with flying in Spain and Lithuania?
Really appreciate your response as making a decision to enroll into they program or not...
Have you read the reviews here? And you are still considering this place??!? Man you deserve what’s coming up your way
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Thank you guys for response !
I am definitely looking for other ATO. I contacted BAA about one year ago- and sure I am read all reviews! I've been constantly contacted by Ad-Initio Project Manager - very actively by the end of the year /beginning of this year. I did ask a questions and quoted some of the reviews from this trend. Interested what I got in response :

1. More planes been add to Lleida base - Tecnams and brand new C172 in addition to already 8 aircrafts up there. There is a plenty of aircrafts available and student- to-aircraft ratio no more than 5 to 1 ...
2. Sure we do aircraft maintenance at base in Lleda ! There was an some small issues with aircraft maintenance before - but we fixed everything!
3. We have a plenty of highly qualified instructors and we keeped at the student-to-instructor ratio of no more than 6 to 1...
4. Weather delays are minimum.
5. All students on time for program completion except those who lazy and not concentrating on study and flying.
6. Accommodations in Lleda is very affordable and you'll have a plenty to choose from...

As I can see they are lying about everything... I hope some of the students(or pilots) who is in Lleda now can posted honest report on what is going on upthere - so new guys not getting burn...
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Lledapilot & Warlock1
Thank you guys for response !
I am definitely looking for other ATO. I contacted BAA about one year ago- and sure I am read all reviews! I've been constantly contacted by Ad-Initio Project Manager - very actively by the end of the year /beginning of this year. I did ask a questions and quoted some of the reviews from this trend. Interested what I got in response :

1. More planes been add to Lleida base - Tecnams and brand new C172 in addition to already 8 aircrafts up there. There is a plenty of aircrafts available and student- to-aircraft ratio no more than 5 to 1 ...
2. Sure we do aircraft maintenance at base in Lleda ! There was an some small issues with aircraft maintenance before - but we fixed everything!
3. We have a plenty of highly qualified instructors and we keeped at the student-to-instructor ratio of no more than 6 to 1...
4. Weather delays are minimum.
5. All students on time for program completion except those who lazy and not concentrating on study and flying.
6. Accommodations in Lleda is very affordable and you'll have a plenty to choose from...

As I can see they are lying about everything... I hope some of the students(or pilots) who is in Lleda now can posted honest report on what is going on upthere - so new guys not getting burn...
Hi i am still in lleida, because actually I am from here. I live here and even though I graduated BAA 6 weeks ago , I am still very much in touch with what is happening at the flight school, because I meet my friends who are in the school daily, we live closeby (because they dont fly due to weather), please do not ignore my review, it still holds true . BAA are blatantly lying to you.

1. This is an outright lie. They are infact removing planes instead of adding them (selling tecnam p2002). They might have 8 planes 10 planes , but it does not matter, because only 3-4 flies and the rest is on the ground . And still, they do not have a single multi engine aircraft. Ask the management where is their multiengine aircraft, why are they advertising 2 if they have 0?
2. Then why is their own multiengine aircraft still on the ground waiting to be fixed?
3. I love that they quote student instructor ratio, ask them numbers, how many instructors they have and how many students? Turns out they dont have a lot of students nor instructors , which is why they are quoting a ratio and not a number. And also ask them how many instructors they had in 2021 or beginning of 2022? why did they leave ?
4. nop.lies. ask them about statistics from previous years
5. HAHAHA , ask them again about previous students, even famous ones from instagram- luke flood how long was his delay? pilotjonathan how long was his delay? actually you dont need to ask this because they posted their school timeline on instragram and publically so you can see when they started groundschool and when they finished. ask them why is everyone complaining about delay, is everyone lazy? BAA is dilligent XD ?
6. Its a small town with a university, good luck with acommodation, because university students take most of it. It is also quite unsafe. trust me I am from here.

If you really want to see the crux of the situation, ask them to send you a contract so you can read it. It has one million things about delays and how it is not BAA’s fault, they dont want to take any responsibility.


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Wow...
Thank you Bro!
Definitely will stay away from that place... I expected that situation up there complicated but its totally disaster ...
How many students and instructors in Lleda now?

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Guys, I'm also planning to join BAA in the Spain. I'm from India basically. Guys, should I join BAA for ATPL program costing 70k? Looks like their network is good, and also recommend good students to their partnering airlines. Comment on it please and also provide better alternative academies if any.
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Guys, I'm also planning to join BAA in the Spain. I'm from India basically. Guys, should I join BAA for ATPL program costing 70k? Looks like their network is good, and also recommend good students to their partnering airlines. Comment on it please and also provide better alternative academies if any.
first of all no visa support, student does everything alone (there is an indian in the academy and there were moroccans, libyans, russians etc all same story) , people here in lleida base in spain are very very racist to indians ( it has got to do with the fact that there are many pakistanis and they have a bad reputation and as you look alike you get caught in the crossfire, constant police harassment, people do NOT like you at all, sometimes you will be denied entry from places).
BAA do not recommend anyone to any airlines, in fact even their own cadets from the LOT program did not get any job. If they do not even recommend EU citizens how do you think they can recommend non EU citizens? BAA do not have any network whatsoever, they are a company owned by avia soultions and their only ties are with other companies owned by avia. Turkish airlines stopped their partnership with BAA, LOT did not take on any of their cadets even to the interview, Wizz air cancelled their contract and instead trains their own cadets at other schools and now Vueling is ghosting BAA and not replying to any of their queries regarding their *partnership* , not a single person has been invited to even an interview through BAA, would you trust a company with a track record like this? Do not in any circumstances join BAA because of their airlines connections, cos the truth is that they have none. Any of their students that they post on instagram about getting a job with airline xyz is because of the students own hard work, BAA did NOTHING to help them
you made a comment without even reading any of the reviews which were published as latest as december november last year....
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regarding other academies im sorry but you have to do your own research. I've heard that AFTA is good, Bartolini in poland. But one thing is for sure is that companies generally don't tend to hire non eu citizens, so dont fall into the fallacy of getting a job with a european airline after. study in india and join an indian company
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a school not worth going to . Reports from alumnis who have done simulator preparation at a 3rd party company for a well known irish company's interview have stated that the training captains were not happy with their skills, and even made the assumption that they are BAA graduates as their skills, or more like the lack of it , led the captains to believe this, despite no previous knowledge of the trainees background and where they graduated from. Many of these trainers bet their pensions on BAA graduates NOT PASSING the assessment for this irish company.
Reports from one of BAAs previous airline partner companies, a well known low cost eastern european airline, was unimpressed with the level of the cadets BAA were releasing for the airline, many of them failed the company simulator check, which eventually led to the termination of the contract.
Take these events into careful consideration
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