Do you recommend OAA than SFC?
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I don't know, now he has admited being a developer it does fit in with quite a few I had to deal with as a sys admin. Thick as !!!!e and wanting everyone else to sort thier problems out because they can't be arsed opening a book and doing it themselves.
But your prob right its a troll.
But your prob right its a troll.
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txeriff
I'll be a bit kinder than some of the others have been, but you would do well to look at what they're telling you - because to be frank it's very clear, so if you have failed to understood what the GS component ACTUALLY entails - and WHERE it is! then, well....you're going to have all sorts of fun when you come to get your head around Gen Nav, performance, flight planning etc
So - for avoidance of any doubt GS can be done one of two ways (at any provider)
1/ Full time residential (which IS not optional in Integrated training, but IS available as an option for modular students)
2/ Part time modular
If you go route 1, then you will be expected to find accomodation close to the place in which the GS is given, for the duration of the ground school course. In the case of Oxford, this is Oxford airport (sorry, sorry ....."Oxford LONDON" airport...
) based in Kidlington, just outside Oxford. Fact. OAA DO have centres all over the shop, it's true, but for base level ATPL groundschool training, it's Oxford. end of. Likewise, I don't know the exact address, but if you go to Bristol, it will be at their premises, IN BRISTOL. Fact.
This route will take about six months and you'll likely study the modules in two 'sets' of around about seven subjects each. You will therefore take 7 exams after about 3 months and the remaining 7 about 3 months after that. You're then free to do whatever the hell else it is you want to do.
If you go route (2) Then you will be provided a bunch of notes and manuals and you'll go through it at your own pace, in your own time. You can take 1 exam a month, or all 14 (if you were certifiably mad and wanted to fail at least one in all probability) in one month. On MOST distance learning courses, you'll book yourself onto a "brush up" course of some description, once you figure you know most of the stuff in the first set of exams you want to take. At this "brush up" course, which typically will be of about 1-2 weeks duration FULL TIME, the instructors will knock into shape anything you're not quite sure about. Again, using the specific examples of Oxford and Bristol....you'll be required to lodge at - suprise, suprise- Oxford or Bristol for these brush up sessions. Full time - you don't get to go home at the end of every day....well unless you live close enough to commute!
There are distinct pros and cons to both routes....you should look at things like time to learn/complete, the financial impact of being out of work for 6 months Vs earning whilst you learn, The impact of trying to learn complex technical stuff whilst you're trying to hold down a day job, the benefit of having someone who really knows the subject there to ask at every turn, the ability to cut out some of the vast amount of material you don't really need to know, the ability to time when you take the exams a bit and so on.
I don't necessarily agree with Mad Jocks tone, or indeed the content of a lot of what he says, but he has given you some sterling advice in post 17. Get hold of Lasors, for there are some weird rules about needing to complete your professional flying training within 3 years of exams date (I can't remember off the top of my head whether it's 3 years from first exam or last, or whether it's IR or just CPL. Work out what your training route will look like - and I would be amazed if you could do it all for 30k Euros, - And look at lots of different GS providers, because you may find one will do it in a slightly different way that works best for you.
I'll be a bit kinder than some of the others have been, but you would do well to look at what they're telling you - because to be frank it's very clear, so if you have failed to understood what the GS component ACTUALLY entails - and WHERE it is! then, well....you're going to have all sorts of fun when you come to get your head around Gen Nav, performance, flight planning etc
So - for avoidance of any doubt GS can be done one of two ways (at any provider)
1/ Full time residential (which IS not optional in Integrated training, but IS available as an option for modular students)
2/ Part time modular
If you go route 1, then you will be expected to find accomodation close to the place in which the GS is given, for the duration of the ground school course. In the case of Oxford, this is Oxford airport (sorry, sorry ....."Oxford LONDON" airport...
) based in Kidlington, just outside Oxford. Fact. OAA DO have centres all over the shop, it's true, but for base level ATPL groundschool training, it's Oxford. end of. Likewise, I don't know the exact address, but if you go to Bristol, it will be at their premises, IN BRISTOL. Fact. This route will take about six months and you'll likely study the modules in two 'sets' of around about seven subjects each. You will therefore take 7 exams after about 3 months and the remaining 7 about 3 months after that. You're then free to do whatever the hell else it is you want to do.
If you go route (2) Then you will be provided a bunch of notes and manuals and you'll go through it at your own pace, in your own time. You can take 1 exam a month, or all 14 (if you were certifiably mad and wanted to fail at least one in all probability) in one month. On MOST distance learning courses, you'll book yourself onto a "brush up" course of some description, once you figure you know most of the stuff in the first set of exams you want to take. At this "brush up" course, which typically will be of about 1-2 weeks duration FULL TIME, the instructors will knock into shape anything you're not quite sure about. Again, using the specific examples of Oxford and Bristol....you'll be required to lodge at - suprise, suprise- Oxford or Bristol for these brush up sessions. Full time - you don't get to go home at the end of every day....well unless you live close enough to commute!
There are distinct pros and cons to both routes....you should look at things like time to learn/complete, the financial impact of being out of work for 6 months Vs earning whilst you learn, The impact of trying to learn complex technical stuff whilst you're trying to hold down a day job, the benefit of having someone who really knows the subject there to ask at every turn, the ability to cut out some of the vast amount of material you don't really need to know, the ability to time when you take the exams a bit and so on.
I don't necessarily agree with Mad Jocks tone, or indeed the content of a lot of what he says, but he has given you some sterling advice in post 17. Get hold of Lasors, for there are some weird rules about needing to complete your professional flying training within 3 years of exams date (I can't remember off the top of my head whether it's 3 years from first exam or last, or whether it's IR or just CPL. Work out what your training route will look like - and I would be amazed if you could do it all for 30k Euros, - And look at lots of different GS providers, because you may find one will do it in a slightly different way that works best for you.
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From: somewhere
@clanger32
as i told in another threads, i was looking for distance atpl. i know there are 2 ways. My PPL school is providing the trainning but i guess they using a distance trainning certified for another school+ some lessons, so it looks crap.
i said 30.000 euro cos i found some cheap in jerez, spain.
- | Fly-in-Spain | -
so that could be a place to end the required ours. lets say 12.000
we still have to do IR+ME but we still have some margin departing from 30.000, if its more no prob.
so stop talking to me like a noob doesnt know what is talking about.
i write a lot of code lines for applications daily.
as i told in another threads, i was looking for distance atpl. i know there are 2 ways. My PPL school is providing the trainning but i guess they using a distance trainning certified for another school+ some lessons, so it looks crap.
i said 30.000 euro cos i found some cheap in jerez, spain.
- | Fly-in-Spain | -
so that could be a place to end the required ours. lets say 12.000
we still have to do IR+ME but we still have some margin departing from 30.000, if its more no prob.
so stop talking to me like a noob doesnt know what is talking about.
i write a lot of code lines for applications daily.
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From: Guildford
txeriff
"so stop talking to me like a noob doesnt know what is talking about"
Here's the news. If you only have a PPL, then you ARE a noob, like it or not - and you clearly DON'T know what you're talking about. Alright, as a PPL you're not completely green, but when you're sitting there in a couple years time with your freshly minted CPL/ME/IR, you'll recognise just how little you know at THAT point, let alone right now.
I was trying to help you, but clearly being a code writer means you know far better, so there is little point in trying to help you out. That speaking as someone that manages code writers on a day to day basis.
Take a little advice. PLEASE take a Little advice. Search through these forums. There are hundreds and hundred and hundreds of modular students who have posted (boasted?) whilst "in process" that they can do it for only €30000. Then look again for posts where people have ACTUALLY posted their final training costs. Those who actually have the Cojones to post what it ACTUALLY cost, as oposed to the bravado of pre completion. You'll find most of them run to closer to €50000+. This is why I said I'd be suprised if you could do it for 30k. Not "you CAN'T" do it, just "I'd be suprised"
On ground school....do what you want, cos you're clearly not going to listen to those of us that have been there and done it.
Hollingworth, MadJock - I think you're right...."who's that clip-clopping over my bandwidth..."
"so stop talking to me like a noob doesnt know what is talking about"
Here's the news. If you only have a PPL, then you ARE a noob, like it or not - and you clearly DON'T know what you're talking about. Alright, as a PPL you're not completely green, but when you're sitting there in a couple years time with your freshly minted CPL/ME/IR, you'll recognise just how little you know at THAT point, let alone right now.
I was trying to help you, but clearly being a code writer means you know far better, so there is little point in trying to help you out. That speaking as someone that manages code writers on a day to day basis.
Take a little advice. PLEASE take a Little advice. Search through these forums. There are hundreds and hundred and hundreds of modular students who have posted (boasted?) whilst "in process" that they can do it for only €30000. Then look again for posts where people have ACTUALLY posted their final training costs. Those who actually have the Cojones to post what it ACTUALLY cost, as oposed to the bravado of pre completion. You'll find most of them run to closer to €50000+. This is why I said I'd be suprised if you could do it for 30k. Not "you CAN'T" do it, just "I'd be suprised"
On ground school....do what you want, cos you're clearly not going to listen to those of us that have been there and done it.
Hollingworth, MadJock - I think you're right...."who's that clip-clopping over my bandwidth..."
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lets forget about this thread im bored of lessons, ppl laughing... forget it.
i know im not a pilot, im some1 that made some trainning and knows how to land and take off almost safe, thats all.
i know how much is full atpl nowdays, about 60.000. i assume that its probs near 50.000. i already spent about 10.000 euro.
i know im not a pilot, im some1 that made some trainning and knows how to land and take off almost safe, thats all.
i know how much is full atpl nowdays, about 60.000. i assume that its probs near 50.000. i already spent about 10.000 euro.
