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Clanger,
Yup, very hard to tell what Rex meant by that, other than he meant to rebut the chap who said OAA students don't get crosswind experience. Are such blanket statements as the one under rebuttal dumb? Probably so, especially considering quite a few of those painted with that brush have PPLs they didn't get at Oxford. It seems like there's more than a dab of hyperbole on both sides of the debate. It would take a mangled blue and white pile of aluminum next to the runway at GYR to convince me anyone touched down with a 30+ knot crosswind, so I am more inclined to cut Rex slack than I am those who stereotype a school's entire student output, but I better leave it at that before this too becomes troll food.
Yup, very hard to tell what Rex meant by that, other than he meant to rebut the chap who said OAA students don't get crosswind experience. Are such blanket statements as the one under rebuttal dumb? Probably so, especially considering quite a few of those painted with that brush have PPLs they didn't get at Oxford. It seems like there's more than a dab of hyperbole on both sides of the debate. It would take a mangled blue and white pile of aluminum next to the runway at GYR to convince me anyone touched down with a 30+ knot crosswind, so I am more inclined to cut Rex slack than I am those who stereotype a school's entire student output, but I better leave it at that before this too becomes troll food.
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No not you alone, I used your quote to show that it was a student driven decision to remove the restriction - a limitation which I agree was too low to be practical but imposed in an effort to mitigate the number of landing incidents that had occured over a short period of time (and I'm not suggesting that crosswind was the cause but it may have been part of the problem). Your observations concerning crosswind technique and the teaching of are accurate and the crosswind limit should indeed be determined by the instructor based on actual ability; demomonkey makes a good point - the predominant south-westerly flow at GYR can provide you with a healthy crosswind on final for 21 but not as consistently strong as you would get at somewhere like Kidlington, for example.
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If you consider quality, safety and standard of training as a meaningful measurement of value for money then perhaps we're not so much off topic after all. A number of posters on this thread are former students but I think it's important to note that they were not all training at the same time - the earlier statement that the BA056 incident F/O was a graduate of Oxford Air Training School is the sort of thing sales and marketing delight in and might use to confirm the quality of the product to prospective customers (in point of fact I doubt they actually would) but, and no disrespect to current of former students of the company intended, this product has changed considerably over the past twenty years - the training package in almost every respect is not really comparable. Your comments and advice are sensible though and I think prospective and current students should note well your point regarding the "cream of the crop".
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The ATCA hangar is next to the runway - perhaps you should have had a look in there
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No not you alone, I used your quote to show that it was a student driven decision to remove the restriction - a limitation which I agree was too low to be practical but imposed in an effort to mitigate the number of landing incidents that had occured over a short period of time (and I'm not suggesting that crosswind was the cause but it may have been part of the problem). Your observations concerning crosswind technique and the teaching of are accurate and the crosswind limit should indeed be determined by the instructor based on actual ability; demomonkey makes a good point - the predominant south-westerly flow at GYR can provide you with a healthy crosswind on final for 21 but not as consistently strong as you would get at somewhere like Kidlington, for example.
PRT2010
If you consider quality, safety and standard of training as a meaningful measurement of value for money then perhaps we're not so much off topic after all. A number of posters on this thread are former students but I think it's important to note that they were not all training at the same time - the earlier statement that the BA056 incident F/O was a graduate of Oxford Air Training School is the sort of thing sales and marketing delight in and might use to confirm the quality of the product to prospective customers (in point of fact I doubt they actually would) but, and no disrespect to current of former students of the company intended, this product has changed considerably over the past twenty years - the training package in almost every respect is not really comparable. Your comments and advice are sensible though and I think prospective and current students should note well your point regarding the "cream of the crop".
Adios
The ATCA hangar is next to the runway - perhaps you should have had a look in there
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Just a little thought..
I remember an FI i flew with in GYR saying that his own personal limit was 15kts, he tried it in 16 and nearly didn't get away with it..
So as a ex-student, i was quite happy with my 13kt X-wind limit in the warrior, I knew my limits as a newbie low houred pilot and in all honestly, I got a load more cross wind practice when I got back home to Oxford!
The poster saying he landed when it was said to be gusting 30, but he didn't show poor judgement etc... you broke a rule, our SOPs. IMO, that IS poor judgement and i'd be surprised that the tower didn't have a little chat to ops about it.
It's people like you who are the ones who end up landing on the side of the runway.. nearly taking out one of your course mates who's holding short, and give OAA grads a crap name!
I remember an FI i flew with in GYR saying that his own personal limit was 15kts, he tried it in 16 and nearly didn't get away with it..
So as a ex-student, i was quite happy with my 13kt X-wind limit in the warrior, I knew my limits as a newbie low houred pilot and in all honestly, I got a load more cross wind practice when I got back home to Oxford!
The poster saying he landed when it was said to be gusting 30, but he didn't show poor judgement etc... you broke a rule, our SOPs. IMO, that IS poor judgement and i'd be surprised that the tower didn't have a little chat to ops about it.
It's people like you who are the ones who end up landing on the side of the runway.. nearly taking out one of your course mates who's holding short, and give OAA grads a crap name!
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My point is that Rex didn't put one in the ATCO hangar. I think that is pretty good evidence that he might have luckily timed his touchdown between those 30-35 knot gusts. Maybe even on a day that was between them!
My point is that Rex didn't put one in the ATCO hangar. I think that is pretty good evidence that he might have luckily timed his touchdown between those 30-35 knot gusts. Maybe even on a day that was between them!
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Is the training loan with BBVA available only for UK and Spanish residents, or is available for all the EU residents (Italian in my case)?
Then, I've read this topic now and now I'm more confused than before because it seems that many post are not about the main question: does the APPFO give many chances more than a simple flight school to gain a first vital employment?
Then, I've read this topic now and now I'm more confused than before because it seems that many post are not about the main question: does the APPFO give many chances more than a simple flight school to gain a first vital employment?
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Artie Fufkin
Thank you Artie, it's people like you who are the reason why I do enjoy PPRuNe although it can sometimes be ruined by other people! Although I'm not saying people can't voice their opinions, I'm intrested to see what everyone has to say.
I am actually a female but it's not the first time and certainly won't be the last! To be honest, I see myself as one of the lads anyway
Having seen what many people have been saying, I think going Modular will give me more opportunity and need more hard work as you're not as spoon-fed and I would benefit from this more as it will help build on my determination and show that I have done things more on my own.
But, I'm sure OAA opens up a world of opportunities although at the minute probably not so much. It's going to be at least 2 years until I attend somewhere like that, if I even do, so at least I have time to think. I'm not sure how they can justify their price tag though!
Thanks all for your personal experiences and opinions Please stop bickering though!! 
Another thread started by a budding young aviator discending into childish bickering about "my course was better than your course". A fine example to show the lad, who has shown us all how sensible one can be aged 14 by asking professionals in the industry he aspires to enter for help. And look how you repay him!
I am actually a female but it's not the first time and certainly won't be the last! To be honest, I see myself as one of the lads anyway
Having seen what many people have been saying, I think going Modular will give me more opportunity and need more hard work as you're not as spoon-fed and I would benefit from this more as it will help build on my determination and show that I have done things more on my own.
But, I'm sure OAA opens up a world of opportunities although at the minute probably not so much. It's going to be at least 2 years until I attend somewhere like that, if I even do, so at least I have time to think. I'm not sure how they can justify their price tag though!
Thanks all for your personal experiences and opinions
Please stop bickering though!!
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Having seen what many people have been saying, I think going Modular will give me more opportunity and need more hard work
modular or not, there are practically no job left in the aviation world. the few jobs available are in the USA but it' s a no go for EU citizen.
now what you do when you have spent a fortune and after 3 years, still no job, not even an interview. TESCO, waitress in a bar at 1000 euro a month?
you have to be a dreamer or an idiot to join aviation.
how many of your friends are still unemployed or have a lousy job?
5000 in UK, 5000 in france, 5000 in germany, 4000 in portugal, 5000 in spain, 5500 in italy, ... I believe there are over 50'000 unemployed pilots in EU and it continues to grow every month.
even if you are the lucky chap, you will get a job in the middle of africa at 500$/month. wooow, what a future!!!
if you think airlines will be interested by you afterwards...modular: 1500tt single **** in africa, 0h jet, 20 multi...or worse , integrated:700tt, 500h line training on boeing, still no job and money gone due to these P2F prgs.
integrated: Lub
modular: no Lub
