IR conversion 50h cross country PIC
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IR conversion 50h cross country PIC
Hello @ all,
I finished my ir conversion. And now I had a look at the look at my logbook.
I have logged 30 h pic cross country and did 40 hours cross country "under the hood" in america. But I didnt logged this as PIC, logged it as dual. Is the caa counting my 40 hours "under the hood" as pic? In america I can log it as PIC.
First the school said I need 50 hours cross country and 70 hours PIC, what I have. Now I saw, I need 50 hours cross country pic but I dont have this
. Only have 30 h cross country + 40 hours cross country under the hood.
Is the caa accepting my 40 hours under the hood as pic time?
If they dont accept, can I fly the missing cross country hours after the ir test? Or I have to do the test again?
Thanks.. Michael
I finished my ir conversion. And now I had a look at the look at my logbook.
I have logged 30 h pic cross country and did 40 hours cross country "under the hood" in america. But I didnt logged this as PIC, logged it as dual. Is the caa counting my 40 hours "under the hood" as pic? In america I can log it as PIC.
First the school said I need 50 hours cross country and 70 hours PIC, what I have. Now I saw, I need 50 hours cross country pic but I dont have this
. Only have 30 h cross country + 40 hours cross country under the hood.Is the caa accepting my 40 hours under the hood as pic time?
If they dont accept, can I fly the missing cross country hours after the ir test? Or I have to do the test again?
Thanks.. Michael
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What is the rule of the cross country flight. I thought a cross country flight is a flight from a to b with at least 50 nm. Is that right?
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Hi,
I already asked this question before but am am still not quite clear with the logging of hours in the US.
If I head out to the USA to do an FAA IR, can I log those hours as PICUS?(the instructor is sitting next to me obviously).
I have to do some hour building to be able to start my JAA CPL course and I am thinking of doing an IR in the states.
Thank you!
Danny
I already asked this question before but am am still not quite clear with the logging of hours in the US.
If I head out to the USA to do an FAA IR, can I log those hours as PICUS?(the instructor is sitting next to me obviously).
I have to do some hour building to be able to start my JAA CPL course and I am thinking of doing an IR in the states.
Thank you!
Danny
Under JAA rules only one person in an aircraft may claim PIC at any time. If you are under instruction (e.g. for an IR) the instructor is PIC and you are P/UT. If you are flying under the hood with a safety pilot and not receiving instruction, you can claim PIC but the safety pilot cannot (or vice versa). Consequently, the various hour-building packages available in the US that depend on both pilots claiming PIC, which is permitted under FAA rules, are not suitable for JAA purposes.
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I read in (FCL-1?) that "cross country flights are flights outside of aerodrome circuit" - which would include any local flight that left the active circuit - but since this is very open to interpretation you should enquire with your CAA.
From JAR-FCL 1.001 (Amdt 7):
[Cross-Country. A flight between a point of departure and a point of arrival following a pre –planned route using standard navigation procedures.]
There is a popular misconception that anything beyond 3 miles from the airfield is defined as cross country. Whilst this figure is quoted in the ANO, it is specifically notified in relation to the privileges of an AFI and is not relevant to licensing requirements.
[Cross-Country. A flight between a point of departure and a point of arrival following a pre –planned route using standard navigation procedures.]
There is a popular misconception that anything beyond 3 miles from the airfield is defined as cross country. Whilst this figure is quoted in the ANO, it is specifically notified in relation to the privileges of an AFI and is not relevant to licensing requirements.
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Just to clearify the FAA rules
The FAA states:
A x-country is every flight from A to B that involves a landing at Airport A and Airport B. But! For license (like issuing a CPL or IR) issues the straight line distance between A and B must be at least 50NM to count as X-Country time (this is for airplanes - for helicopter its different).
Can a safety pilot log PIC time in the US? Yes, he can - the other guy is flying under the hood, so both can log pic time. In JAA land? Not possible
Can the safety pilot log X-Country time? No - after the newest FAA ruling. X-Country time has to involve a landing at airport a and airport b. The safety pilot looks for traffic while the other pilot is under the hood. As soon as this pilot is no longer under the hood - the safety pilot can not log PIC time anymore and is no required crew member anymore. The safety pilot isn't doing a landing furthermore he is not required anymore - so he can not log x-country time. This here is assuming that nobody lands under the hood.
Just to summarize it.
Safety Pilot FAA:
- Log X-Country Time: No
- Log PIC: Yes, as long as the other pilot is under the hood.
JAA:
Only one PIC possible. At least for germany I know that safety pilot time is not credited.
With best regards out of Florida.
NK
A x-country is every flight from A to B that involves a landing at Airport A and Airport B. But! For license (like issuing a CPL or IR) issues the straight line distance between A and B must be at least 50NM to count as X-Country time (this is for airplanes - for helicopter its different).
Can a safety pilot log PIC time in the US? Yes, he can - the other guy is flying under the hood, so both can log pic time. In JAA land? Not possible
Can the safety pilot log X-Country time? No - after the newest FAA ruling. X-Country time has to involve a landing at airport a and airport b. The safety pilot looks for traffic while the other pilot is under the hood. As soon as this pilot is no longer under the hood - the safety pilot can not log PIC time anymore and is no required crew member anymore. The safety pilot isn't doing a landing furthermore he is not required anymore - so he can not log x-country time. This here is assuming that nobody lands under the hood.
Just to summarize it.
Safety Pilot FAA:
- Log X-Country Time: No
- Log PIC: Yes, as long as the other pilot is under the hood.
JAA:
Only one PIC possible. At least for germany I know that safety pilot time is not credited.
With best regards out of Florida.
NK
