Oxford Aviation Employment Statistics
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Oxford Aviation Employment Statistics
112 got jobs.
of which;
71 - paid for TR with Ryanair
16 - on the netjets scheme (if they are actually flying!!!)
6 - Thomas Cook (was that through CTC)
Leaving only 19 who went to A N Other.
Is it really that bad out of OAA. How many total cadets were there last year.
I am not slagging OAA off. Its just interesting to see if the main FTO in the UK is finding it hard to place people with an airline (SSTR excluded).
of which;
71 - paid for TR with Ryanair
16 - on the netjets scheme (if they are actually flying!!!)
6 - Thomas Cook (was that through CTC)
Leaving only 19 who went to A N Other.
Is it really that bad out of OAA. How many total cadets were there last year.
I am not slagging OAA off. Its just interesting to see if the main FTO in the UK is finding it hard to place people with an airline (SSTR excluded).
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Actual repayments with interest will be more than £100k (full mathematical breakdown available for those who are interested). And what's worse I know of people who did just that and now are stuggling to get flying hours (RYR pay by the block hour). That's not a ******* career! 
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Check through these forums and you will find many OAA people doing their nut due to no job as promised after laying out all the dosh. OAA fees and then still paying for a Ryan air TR ouch wish I had the bucks
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Does anyone know how many integrated cadets went through in 2009. And I am sure (work with someone who is one of the statistics) they count graduates from previous year(s) into the year they got a job. Not entirely accurate employment statistics then.
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That's what I've wondered. The student may have studied & completed part of their training at OAA and then completed it at another organisation e.g. like CTC and then found a job. Then quite likely OAA and CTC both show stats to recognise the achievement.
I believe OAA/CTC/FTE/Cabair etc are only useful in the good times (even though people are willing to pay up in a recession and take a risk) when it comes to getting a job, otherwise join the queue/backlog until the good times emerge. But by then, being further in debt to keep current or getting rusty, or by paying for a TR could potentially cause many problems if you haven't got a plan B.... but then again, you wouldn't have signed the dotted line for an integrated course if you hadn't got a plan B surely?
It would be interesting to know how past integrated students are coping (who are not in the RHS) and how they are getting by in times like now. Maybe their security did come in useful and they are keeping quiet or some sort of delayed payments were involved.....
The fact that FTE are doing modular courses in a recession says something, when the demand for integrated courses would quite likely reduce. Thats the other question, are less people signing up for integrated programs at the moment and holding fire until certain growth/progress has been made in the economy?
I believe OAA/CTC/FTE/Cabair etc are only useful in the good times (even though people are willing to pay up in a recession and take a risk) when it comes to getting a job, otherwise join the queue/backlog until the good times emerge. But by then, being further in debt to keep current or getting rusty, or by paying for a TR could potentially cause many problems if you haven't got a plan B.... but then again, you wouldn't have signed the dotted line for an integrated course if you hadn't got a plan B surely?
It would be interesting to know how past integrated students are coping (who are not in the RHS) and how they are getting by in times like now. Maybe their security did come in useful and they are keeping quiet or some sort of delayed payments were involved.....
The fact that FTE are doing modular courses in a recession says something, when the demand for integrated courses would quite likely reduce. Thats the other question, are less people signing up for integrated programs at the moment and holding fire until certain growth/progress has been made in the economy?
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Yes they use people from previous years - if someone graduated 5 years ago and has only just been 'selected' to pay for a TR with Ryanair then when the FTO report is requested Oxford know a job has been achieved and so notch another stike on the bed board. Their statistics are so manipulated and Byzantine (I have word of the day loo paper) that they are nothing more than a sales tool. Ignore them, wipe your ar5e with them (like my loo paper but less useful) but definately pay them no attention. Oxford have played no part in the majority of their employment stats as well - certainly in the last year or two. Though to be fair, they are now playing a great part in twenty fine young little mummy and daddies boys and girls paths to becoming a real life, all singing, all dancing, Ray Ban wearing, once a day Facebook status updating (with their 'is in Malaga' or 'is in Rome' or 'travelled 2681 miles today') little pilot - with Easyjet. At least for 75 hours and at most a summer. 
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NetJets cadets are currently flying
But at the rate you guys fly it will 2020 before you manage to get your ATP. Some might even see a command this century if they are lucky.
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I did the modular groundschool there a few years back. OAA were getting very up themselves and saying things like, quote; 'we are thinking of stopping modular training as we dont need the business'. Stupid w@nkers!
I dont think they would be taking that view now.
I dont think they would be taking that view now.
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Check through these forums and you will find many OAA people doing their nut due to no job as promised after laying out all the dosh. OAA fees and then still paying for a Ryan air TR ouch wish I had the bucks
If they are going mad 'cos oxford promised them a job they must be retarded. How can a school promise anyone a job??? Any potenial oxford wannabes dont even pay a deposit, dont even think about starting.
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The Oxford Integrated Course is completely pointless and meaningless in the current environment. Traditionally you paid Oxford your £60-70k so they would get you a job at BA, BMI etc where the type rating would be paid for.
This was the big selling point. Now that the doors at these airlines are closed (and even when they do open you would have to fork out for the type rating out of your own pocket), the Oxford APP is not worth the money. This is the biggest lesson to learn from these statistics.
This was the big selling point. Now that the doors at these airlines are closed (and even when they do open you would have to fork out for the type rating out of your own pocket), the Oxford APP is not worth the money. This is the biggest lesson to learn from these statistics.
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I disagree with that super pilot.
The full time controlled intergrated course does have its place in the market.
Theory
People learn in different ways. Some have no problem what so ever having the personal self displine to self study and are able to learn by grasping the basics and then applying that to problems. Doing a full days work then being able to productively study is another issue.
Others maybe through lack of schooling or personal attributes need to be in a controlled enviroment and given the information on a plate. The application of basics doesn't come naturally so a whole range of questions and applications of the basic knowledge have to be covered.
Practical
It does help some people to have continuity with one organisation. In some ways the students who have gone striaght to flight training missing out the Uni experence are doing the same growing up with thier peers that Uni students do in thier First year. They are all young full of cum and high volumes of beer is still a novelty.
I really don't have a problem with anyone doing Intergrated because it suits thier learning style or capabilities. It does suit some people and is worth every penny they pay for it.
Now the marketing bollocks that some believe. That in some way they will be better trained and have special qualities compared to others I do have a problem with.
The full time controlled intergrated course does have its place in the market.
Theory
People learn in different ways. Some have no problem what so ever having the personal self displine to self study and are able to learn by grasping the basics and then applying that to problems. Doing a full days work then being able to productively study is another issue.
Others maybe through lack of schooling or personal attributes need to be in a controlled enviroment and given the information on a plate. The application of basics doesn't come naturally so a whole range of questions and applications of the basic knowledge have to be covered.
Practical
It does help some people to have continuity with one organisation. In some ways the students who have gone striaght to flight training missing out the Uni experence are doing the same growing up with thier peers that Uni students do in thier First year. They are all young full of cum and high volumes of beer is still a novelty.
I really don't have a problem with anyone doing Intergrated because it suits thier learning style or capabilities. It does suit some people and is worth every penny they pay for it.
Now the marketing bollocks that some believe. That in some way they will be better trained and have special qualities compared to others I do have a problem with.
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I really dont agree with this you cant pay for your type rating with Ryanair lark. I read elsewhere on this website people advising to keep your MEIR current, do a little flying in a SEP to keep current and wait 5 years for the likes of BA etc to start hiring again.
Including accomodation, travel expenses etc I wouldnt have much change out of 5,000EURO doing an MEIR renewal. Doing that for 5 years = 25,000EURO and thats not including keeping current in a SEP!
Id rather give the money to Ryanair get a couple of thousand hours on the 738 and possibly command within 5 years.
I am against the Easyjet notion of paying for line training and not having a job past the summer but with Ryanair you have a job and are getting paid.
Just my two........
Including accomodation, travel expenses etc I wouldnt have much change out of 5,000EURO doing an MEIR renewal. Doing that for 5 years = 25,000EURO and thats not including keeping current in a SEP!
Id rather give the money to Ryanair get a couple of thousand hours on the 738 and possibly command within 5 years. I am against the Easyjet notion of paying for line training and not having a job past the summer but with Ryanair you have a job and are getting paid.
Just my two........
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I feel that paying to be a professional is not really a new thing. Just think how many years medical students have to endure and pay to eventually get a job as a doctor, same goes for a dentist. I also agree that the fees that they pay are no where near as high but then everyone knew the price to pay at the start. Point is, paying to be a professional has been around.
What EI-CON said is very true I think. If you're a new pilot, experience is key and flying around in a SEP and then renewing your ME-IR every year isn't really ideal for gaining experience. Then once the airlines are hiring, it would be the Ryanair pilots who were newbies and now experienced applying for those big airlines job. Who would have a better chance of getting a job then?
What EI-CON said is very true I think. If you're a new pilot, experience is key and flying around in a SEP and then renewing your ME-IR every year isn't really ideal for gaining experience. Then once the airlines are hiring, it would be the Ryanair pilots who were newbies and now experienced applying for those big airlines job. Who would have a better chance of getting a job then?
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Just think how many years medical students have to endure and pay to eventually get a job as a doctor, same goes for a dentist.
The Ryanair debate has barely been touched on and isn't the major point of this thread other than to say that 71 out of 112 of the people that actually managed to get a job from the 300 that actually trained had to pay an extra 33000 Euros and were not helped one jot by the stupid company that are staking a claim on these 'results'.
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I dont want to take away from the point of this tread but I didnt expect any job help from my school. You pay them for a service of getting you a licence no more no less there not a recruitment agency there a flight school.
Anyways oxford, FTE, PTC etc cant make jobs where there are none! Thank goodness for Ryanair for taking these 71 aswell as the others they have taken from FTE, PTC etc. Only for them there would be a lot more pilots in the dole queue.
Anyways oxford, FTE, PTC etc cant make jobs where there are none! Thank goodness for Ryanair for taking these 71 aswell as the others they have taken from FTE, PTC etc. Only for them there would be a lot more pilots in the dole queue.
