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ATPL's starting next week

Old 17th Nov 2009, 20:51
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ATPL's starting next week

Hi guys im going to keep this short, Im starting my ATPL's next week, is there anything i can start studying or doing to prep myself? Your feedback will be much appreciated.

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Old 17th Nov 2009, 23:48
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Free QB

This is also worth a look. Given that you've not yet started it'll give you an idea of what's ahead.

JAA ATPL Questions | AviationTire.com

Would 2nd the Bristol QB advice though once you've made some progress with your studies.
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Old 18th Nov 2009, 01:33
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Nav420, just Bristol it. Check your pm

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Old 18th Nov 2009, 02:39
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Exclamation Don't Look at the Question Bank

For Christ's sake, guys, he is only just starting! The one thing he should not be doing yet is going anywhere near a question bank! I strongly suspect that Alex Wittingham would back me on that one.

I would suggest Nav doesn't look at any actual JAR questions until he has finished the main teaching section of the course. At that point representative questions are useful to direct revision, although the exact questions and the source are not important. The question banks are not some magic route to supreme pilothood. They are a revision aid.

Before you start on the course, Nav420, make sure you know the PPL material, and the important stuff is very familiar to you. That is assumed knowledge before starting the ATPL course and will mean the classes make far more sense. Secondly you might brush up on Maths, especially if you are not confident with basic algebra and trigonometry.
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Old 18th Nov 2009, 09:08
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PPL Books and Know your way around your CRP5
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Old 18th Nov 2009, 10:01
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Excellent advice on the CRP5...

...become fully familiar with ALL of the CRP's functions..... until you can use it in your sleep. Pressure and exam nerves can cause candidates to lose a lot of time fumbling with whizwheels. Good luck. bm
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Old 18th Nov 2009, 10:03
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Is there any crib sheets (step by step) for all the things you can calculate on the CRP-5 that you can download?

I have a good one for CRP-1, but not CRP-5.

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Old 18th Nov 2009, 15:29
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The only difference is Mach number and compressibility. The former is easy - turn the wheel until the "Mach no. index" is in the airspeed window, set the index against the outside air temperature and the Mach number on the inner scale reads against the true airspeed on the outer.

Compressibility is not difficult, but there is a slight complication so that it is probably best taught in the classroom. Wait until your school teaches you.

One piece of advice - if you learnt the "wind-up" method (i.e. marking the wind above the centre of the wheel on the vector calculator) at PPL then teach yourself the "wind-down" method. It should be in the instructions that came with the CRP-5. The CRP-5 is marked for wind-up anyway, that is why it says "True Heading" where all the others say "Index" at the top of the wheel.
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Old 19th Nov 2009, 10:47
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I didn't say he shouldn't read them at all, and for Air Law you are probably correct. However for the rest too many people set too much store by question banks, and at this stage Nav420 should not even be thinking about question banks.

I would certainly have to disagree with you on HP&L, if only because I managed 98% without using a question bank. Mass and balance is an easy subject that it is also vital you can do. There is very little that is not relevant. If you know the subject enough to be safe then why do you need a question bank? As for comms, if you can't pass that without using a question bank then I don't wish to share the airwaves with you!
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Old 21st Nov 2009, 14:55
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Good advice about the PPL syllabus and CRP 5, however, if I would you I would enjoy the last week of freedom .

Enjoy the course.
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Old 21st Nov 2009, 15:33
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CAT3C AUTOLAND thats exactly what ive been doing! tomorrows my last day of freedom then 6 months of atpl fun, got my CRP 5 yesterday so im going to go through the booklet today but thats about it.
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That's a great decision to start training. My FTO told me that the financial crisis is ending on December 31 of this year! I also heard that BA, Virgin and Easy Jet are looking to hire appx. 1000 First Officers each by this coming April. Golly gee, that is sure a lot of pilots that need to be hired! Even if I can't get on with one of these magnificent airlines, I also heard Ryan Air and Wizz Air are going back to the traditional bonding of a First Officer and doing away with the Self funded Type Ratings because they apparently had a big management meeting and they came to the decision that it just was not the nice thing to do anymore....you know make pilots pay another 20.000 pounds after already paying a fortune for the ATPL. It gives me piece of mind to finally realize that management is on the pilot's side and just doesn't take the orders from the accountants. On top of that the FTO also told me that pilot salaries will double for FOs in the next two years! He didn't say why...but he just said that if I work hard and keep my nose to the ol'grindstone that all my dreams will come true. OK...going to go do some more Mass and Balnce questions! I will see you in the cockpit in my new uniform...ohhh this is going to be great!
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Old 21st Nov 2009, 21:15
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Oh wow that is just so clever of you Ipokijuhyt, did you come up with that all by yourself. Really constructive .
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Old 22nd Nov 2009, 00:32
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dont listen to Ipokijuhyt hes a who gets kicks out of pissing people off and saying stupid comments...obviously flies FS a bit to much and thinks hes a real pilot
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Old 22nd Nov 2009, 15:15
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Nav420,

A good school will TEACH you everything from square one.

I always assume minimal knowledge with my students.

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Old 22nd Nov 2009, 17:14
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NAV420,

Good on you mate, enjoy the course, it is a lot of fun, and I am sure you will meet some great people.

All the best with it.
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Old 22nd Nov 2009, 20:10
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ATPL exams start here, Ireland to be exact, next week. I'm doing my final six.

Just want to say, best of luck to all taking exams this week.

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Old 23rd Nov 2009, 00:58
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Good schools should not be starting from square one. PPL knowledge should be assumed. It is only because people turn up ill-prepared that good schools might have to start from the basics, they prefer not to as it then gives time for the more complicated material to be taught in more depth. There is a reason that a PPL is required to start ATPL training.

Good schools also bend over backwards to help out those that work hard but still struggle. Appearing in the classroom with a shiny PPL but without the knowledge that should entail and thus delaying progress in the class is not going to put you to the head of the 'works hard' category.
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Old 23rd Nov 2009, 18:51
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"I always assume minimal knowledge with my students."

PPL - exactly - you have it in one!
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Old 24th Nov 2009, 01:00
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Errrrmmm, exactly. A PPL holder should not need to learn from 'square one', far from it, and the course should therefore not start from there. The students should have quite a body of knowledge already about the whole range of subjects, with the exception of those few that are not relevant at PPL.
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