Hour Building - Some important questions (CFI,etc)!!
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Hour Building - Some important questions (CFI,etc)!!
If I get myself CFI,CFII,MEI & then do flight instruction at any random flight school, then will I get paid for the ground school training I give or will I get money only for flying & what about the logbook hrs., will they increase ?
Sry I dont know much about this industry
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Yes, you can be paid also for ground training, if the flight school will find you are ok to provide this training.
Flight hours, while you operate as FI will be logged.
Flight hours, while you operate as FI will be logged.
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So that means that ground school also counts as flight hours for both flight instruction payment & for the logbook ? 
Like I do 2 hrs of flying training followed by 3 hrs. of ground school in a day, then for that day my total earning as FI is = (2+3) x HourlyRate = $$$ ?
How will my ground school hours count as logbook hrs. which is required to get into any good airliners ?
Like I do 2 hrs of flying training followed by 3 hrs. of ground school in a day, then for that day my total earning as FI is = (2+3) x HourlyRate = $$$ ?
How will my ground school hours count as logbook hrs. which is required to get into any good airliners ?
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If you were further along in your training you would know the answer to that.
No, you do not log your ground school teaching as hours. No, you do not log hours in your log book while sitting in seat 56H on an airliner (had one student do that). You log those hours that you are in the air.
As far as getting paid for instruction it depends. I have been to schools where the instructor only gets paid for flight time. That means all time spent briefing and debriefing is not paid. That is not good since you will never get briefed properly as a student. Or, the instructor will brief and teach you theory while flying. The cockpit is not a good classroom environment.
As I an instructor I make it crystal clear to my students that they will pay for the time that they book me. If they want 2 hours instruction they will pay for 2 hours, whether in the air or not. If they do not cancel 24 hours in advance they will pay as well. As an instructor your time is valuable and you should treat it as such.
No, you do not log your ground school teaching as hours. No, you do not log hours in your log book while sitting in seat 56H on an airliner (had one student do that). You log those hours that you are in the air.
As far as getting paid for instruction it depends. I have been to schools where the instructor only gets paid for flight time. That means all time spent briefing and debriefing is not paid. That is not good since you will never get briefed properly as a student. Or, the instructor will brief and teach you theory while flying. The cockpit is not a good classroom environment.
As I an instructor I make it crystal clear to my students that they will pay for the time that they book me. If they want 2 hours instruction they will pay for 2 hours, whether in the air or not. If they do not cancel 24 hours in advance they will pay as well. As an instructor your time is valuable and you should treat it as such.
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Ripanrocks, you can't ask a question like that since it depends on what part of the world you are asking about.
When I started I made $20 an hour. 2 years later I was making $60 an hour freelance. It depends on your employer, your negotiating skills, your contract, and your professionalism.
Just like you can't assume that you won't get paid for teach ground school. I got paid. Others do not get paid. Careful about making assumptions.
When I started I made $20 an hour. 2 years later I was making $60 an hour freelance. It depends on your employer, your negotiating skills, your contract, and your professionalism.
Just like you can't assume that you won't get paid for teach ground school. I got paid. Others do not get paid. Careful about making assumptions.
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I was thinking about completing my flight training from Orlando Flight Training, Florida & then when I will get my CFI,CFII,MEI, I will apply for job there itself.
So if you can manage some info it would have been the greatest things ever !
So if you can manage some info it would have been the greatest things ever !
Don't forget the employment authorization for the US.
No employment allowed on an M-1 visa only "practical training"
Have a read:
All About M-1 Visa - Your Immigration Questions Answered by VisaPro
No employment allowed on an M-1 visa only "practical training"
Have a read:
All About M-1 Visa - Your Immigration Questions Answered by VisaPro
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I dont want to make my visa with Orlando Flight Training (M-1).
But what kind of visa would you recommend as I wanna first study in Florida, then after completing the course immediately search for employment & get a job probably.
But what kind of visa would you recommend as I wanna first study in Florida, then after completing the course immediately search for employment & get a job probably.
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@ripanrocks
you'd need the J-1 Visa, which is valid for a period of 24 month and it permits you to work as an instructor in the US. Usually the flight school at which you'll be doing your training will help you with the visa application. But not all US flight schools sponsor the J-1 visa, only a few PART 141 schools can do that.
However, I have heard that the US Authorities are planning to abolish the J-1 Visa program (at least in the aviation sector) - I couldn't find any further details on that, probably the best to contact a US flight school or a US Embassy in this regard. Perhaps the following link contains some useful information:
Types of Visas - U.S. Embassy of the United States New Delhi, India
As a non-US citizen your are also required to undergo a background check before starting your flight training in the States. For further details see the link below.
TSA: Alien Flight Student Program
you'd need the J-1 Visa, which is valid for a period of 24 month and it permits you to work as an instructor in the US. Usually the flight school at which you'll be doing your training will help you with the visa application. But not all US flight schools sponsor the J-1 visa, only a few PART 141 schools can do that.
However, I have heard that the US Authorities are planning to abolish the J-1 Visa program (at least in the aviation sector) - I couldn't find any further details on that, probably the best to contact a US flight school or a US Embassy in this regard. Perhaps the following link contains some useful information:
Types of Visas - U.S. Embassy of the United States New Delhi, India
As a non-US citizen your are also required to undergo a background check before starting your flight training in the States. For further details see the link below.
TSA: Alien Flight Student Program
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Pertaining to ripanrocks' above post,
A typical blood sucking school require huge deposits. From the website, I can see it very clearly, it actually means, "no deposit no visa"!
You don't like the school and want to change, your deposit will be gone forever! Let me give this a warning.
If anbody who is filthy rich enough, just apply to any school that gives F1 or J1 will do. PAY money and you get the visa! Simple as that.
A typical blood sucking school require huge deposits. From the website, I can see it very clearly, it actually means, "no deposit no visa"!
You don't like the school and want to change, your deposit will be gone forever! Let me give this a warning.
If anbody who is filthy rich enough, just apply to any school that gives F1 or J1 will do. PAY money and you get the visa! Simple as that.
