Must really JAA CPL training be made in same country as ATPL theory?
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I want to clear this up for everyone ahs no one has mentioned it as clearly as the following statement.
"The CPL must be completed with a FTO (Flight training organisation) under the same civil aviation authority as the ATPL theory exams were completed under."
I.e if you take your exams under the UK CAA you must do your training at a UK CAA FTO - that does mean you can train in the USA, Australia etc just must be under a UK approved school.
The IAA and CAA have recopricol agreements. CAAs may also provide exemptions but this most be in writing to be effective.
Section A8 of LASORS at LASORS 2008 | Personnel Licensing | Safety Regulation
Where permission is required - you should assume this to be written permisison.
"The CPL must be completed with a FTO (Flight training organisation) under the same civil aviation authority as the ATPL theory exams were completed under."
I.e if you take your exams under the UK CAA you must do your training at a UK CAA FTO - that does mean you can train in the USA, Australia etc just must be under a UK approved school.
The IAA and CAA have recopricol agreements. CAAs may also provide exemptions but this most be in writing to be effective.
Section A8 of LASORS at LASORS 2008 | Personnel Licensing | Safety Regulation
Where permission is required - you should assume this to be written permisison.
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Hi,
Just wanted to check where you found that information Big Grecian.
JAR-FCL 1.065 states that training commenced under one authority may, with the agreements of both authorities, be completed under another authority- as long as training is completed with in JAA member states.
I spoke to UK CAA about this as I have completed 14 hours CPL training in the UK and wished to complete my training in another JAA Mutually recognised state.
Thanks.
Just wanted to check where you found that information Big Grecian.
JAR-FCL 1.065 states that training commenced under one authority may, with the agreements of both authorities, be completed under another authority- as long as training is completed with in JAA member states.
I spoke to UK CAA about this as I have completed 14 hours CPL training in the UK and wished to complete my training in another JAA Mutually recognised state.
Thanks.
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If I will write ATPL exam (done) in Poland, Spain and I would like to do CPL practice in Ireland or UK?
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Conversion
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Hey guys i need you help to understand me all this conversion crap
I am a holder of Non-JAA licence and planning to convert my licence to JAA licence.i have some queries listed below-
1-Can i write my 14 exams under IAA are they accepted in UK or vice versa..
2-IR can be done in any JAA state??
please reply
Hey guys i need you help to understand me all this conversion crap
I am a holder of Non-JAA licence and planning to convert my licence to JAA licence.i have some queries listed below-
1-Can i write my 14 exams under IAA are they accepted in UK or vice versa..
2-IR can be done in any JAA state??
please reply
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Think carefully about this. The UK CAA has done a lot of work to make the exams better. A lot of terrible questions have been effectively removed from the question bank pending rewrite (which the CAA does not have the resources to do). A lot of questions written in poor English have been translated into better English. The UK CAA allows more sittings, and allows splitting of the exams when others might not.
It might be that doing the CPL in a UK CAA-approved FTO is worthwhile to gain those advantages.
P.S. for anyone confused, I am assuming Martin will have enough experience to be exempt formal training. Britain has more schools and so more choice and competition than most countries, therefore training is generally good and can be well-priced.
navneet
1 - Yes, the UK CAA and the IAA have an agreement. Check this is still in place before starting.
2 - Yes, once your CPL is issued.
So will simply use CATS for theory and sit exams far away.
It might be that doing the CPL in a UK CAA-approved FTO is worthwhile to gain those advantages.
P.S. for anyone confused, I am assuming Martin will have enough experience to be exempt formal training. Britain has more schools and so more choice and competition than most countries, therefore training is generally good and can be well-priced.
navneet
1 - Yes, the UK CAA and the IAA have an agreement. Check this is still in place before starting.
2 - Yes, once your CPL is issued.
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thnks MartinCh for your reply.....i am planning to do my JAA conversion form Ireland the reason is i have my relatives living in ireland so i can save my living expense
..what you advise me is it good to do my conversion from ireland or from UK? Doest it going to make any difference and if i wish to work in U.K what are the standards to convert it into UK JAA ??
thnks.....
..what you advise me is it good to do my conversion from ireland or from UK? Doest it going to make any difference and if i wish to work in U.K what are the standards to convert it into UK JAA ??thnks.....
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12W Tim,
It's pointless to sit the exams in the UK. I'm more rotary minded, but want to do lots of tailwheel flying around the world, including USA, where I'm planning to do FAA CPL(A) and (H) and when back in Europe, doing SE IR and CPL LST with ATPL theory sat in Prague.
I am not going to study off the QB only. CATS is good enough for me for English theory exams in Czech Rep.
It'll cost me couple thousand pounds less than trying to achieve UK CAA CPL(A) and the heli bridging modules or both taken same time to keep it fresh in mind, why not.. Why should I support the UK CAA racket (fees and charges)?
Enough I'll have to pay 40 quid or so for second resit (should I fail one of my 12 other exams for aircraft eng). Especially as I need to save tons of cash yet another handful of years for all my plans.
Not to mention LST fees, revalidation, etc.
Did I mention I can pick almost any week to sit the exams in Prague at much shorter notice? Also the results quite fast.
Btw, I started part-66 aero eng training in the UK and plan to do Mod 12 (heli systems and structures) to get B1.3 as well, besides B1.1.
The width and depth of my exams for part-66 are both more extensive than the ATPL theory (some technical modules). So my situation isn't good example.
navneet, I'd be talking crap if I tried to give you solid answer and comparison between IAA and UK CAA. You've got enough mentioned here. Best to check with CAA yourself if you don't trust some other opinions in this thread.
I got in touch with Czech CAA to confirm it with them that my plans are kosher. Since I'm Czech citizen as well, it's OK.
It's pointless to sit the exams in the UK. I'm more rotary minded, but want to do lots of tailwheel flying around the world, including USA, where I'm planning to do FAA CPL(A) and (H) and when back in Europe, doing SE IR and CPL LST with ATPL theory sat in Prague.
I am not going to study off the QB only. CATS is good enough for me for English theory exams in Czech Rep.
It'll cost me couple thousand pounds less than trying to achieve UK CAA CPL(A) and the heli bridging modules or both taken same time to keep it fresh in mind, why not.. Why should I support the UK CAA racket (fees and charges)?
Enough I'll have to pay 40 quid or so for second resit (should I fail one of my 12 other exams for aircraft eng). Especially as I need to save tons of cash yet another handful of years for all my plans.
Not to mention LST fees, revalidation, etc.
Did I mention I can pick almost any week to sit the exams in Prague at much shorter notice? Also the results quite fast.
Btw, I started part-66 aero eng training in the UK and plan to do Mod 12 (heli systems and structures) to get B1.3 as well, besides B1.1.
The width and depth of my exams for part-66 are both more extensive than the ATPL theory (some technical modules). So my situation isn't good example.
navneet, I'd be talking crap if I tried to give you solid answer and comparison between IAA and UK CAA. You've got enough mentioned here. Best to check with CAA yourself if you don't trust some other opinions in this thread.
I got in touch with Czech CAA to confirm it with them that my plans are kosher. Since I'm Czech citizen as well, it's OK.
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So i want someone that he/she assure me and tell me the correct rule:
In my case i did the JAA ATPL THEORY in Italy and i'd like to do the JAA CPL in USA...can i do this?? it will be valid??
Please explain to me!
THanks to all
In my case i did the JAA ATPL THEORY in Italy and i'd like to do the JAA CPL in USA...can i do this?? it will be valid??
Please explain to me!
THanks to all
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Hi,
Im new to this, i have an irish class 1 medical and moving out to Perth Oz, i have few questions..
Iif i do my training in oz and get the licence if i decide on movin back to ireland
just wondering about converting it then to jaa standard,
Any replies much appriciated,
So confused
Thanks in advance
Im new to this, i have an irish class 1 medical and moving out to Perth Oz, i have few questions..
Iif i do my training in oz and get the licence if i decide on movin back to ireland
just wondering about converting it then to jaa standard,
Any replies much appriciated,
So confused
Thanks in advance
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Jar Fcltheoretical Knowledge Compl.in Another Jaa State(other Than Uk)
for those who are interested here the reply from UK CAA:
The Uk CAA will recognise a valid pass in JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations (except PPL) completed in another JAA member state .
See LASORS,General information, pag9, point A8, STATE OF LICENCE ISSUE.
At this point uìi want to know from you, as i understood, i have to send to the CAA UK( what address???) just the copy of the certification of the completed JAA ATPL theoretical knowledgeexaminations with enclosed a copy of the medical certificate class 1 to receive back the UK certification,is it right?
The Uk CAA will recognise a valid pass in JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations (except PPL) completed in another JAA member state .
See LASORS,General information, pag9, point A8, STATE OF LICENCE ISSUE.
At this point uìi want to know from you, as i understood, i have to send to the CAA UK( what address???) just the copy of the certification of the completed JAA ATPL theoretical knowledgeexaminations with enclosed a copy of the medical certificate class 1 to receive back the UK certification,is it right?
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UK CPL
hi, i tried to look for an answer but I just couldnt.
I am a non UK citizen have a CAA ATPL , and I would like to do my CPL training in Spain (Valencia), would the CAA be kind and issue me a CPL if I get all paperworks (skill test) back to UK?? thanks
I am a non UK citizen have a CAA ATPL , and I would like to do my CPL training in Spain (Valencia), would the CAA be kind and issue me a CPL if I get all paperworks (skill test) back to UK?? thanks
