Flight Instructor course requirements
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Flight Instructor course requirements
I have a Multi-engine CPL with MEP rating but no SEP (single engine piston)rating. Can I start the Flight Instructor course without the rating (as all the flying will be dual or PUT)?
I have the 5 hours in a single in the last 6 months that you need to start the course.
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I have the 5 hours in a single in the last 6 months that you need to start the course.
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The first flight instructor requirement or indeed Commercial pilot requirement is to be able to read and research regulations yourself.
Go read JAR FCL 1 or LASORS section H.
Also posting in the correct forum also helps.
There is a Flight Instructor & Examiner forum on this site.
Although if you had posted there you really would have got some slagging.
Go read JAR FCL 1 or LASORS section H.
Also posting in the correct forum also helps.
There is a Flight Instructor & Examiner forum on this site.
Although if you had posted there you really would have got some slagging.
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There is a Flight Instructor & Examiner forum on this site.
Although if you had posted there you really would have got some slagging.
Although if you had posted there you really would have got some slagging.
Flight Instructor & Examiner forum:
A place for instructors to communicate with one another because some of them get a bit tired of the attitude that instructing is the lowest form of aviation, as seems to prevail on some of the other forums!
A place for instructors to communicate with one another because some of them get a bit tired of the attitude that instructing is the lowest form of aviation, as seems to prevail on some of the other forums!
Pre-requisite flight and theoretical
requirements
Before commencing an approved Flight Instructors
Course (FIC) an applicant must satisfy the course
pre-entry requirements as per JAR-FCL 1.335: -
a. Hold either a valid UK CAA or JAR-FCL
aeroplane pilots licence, which includes a valid
Single Engine Piston (Land) Class or single pilot,
Single Engine Type Rating.
b. Meet the knowledge requirements for the grant of
a JAR-FCL Commercial Pilot Licence
(Aeroplanes) as per Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL
1.470.
c. Have at least a CPL(A) or completed at least 200
hours of flight time of which 150 hours as
Pilot-in-Command if holding a PPL(A).
i. Completed at least 30 hours on single engine
piston powered aeroplanes of which at least 5
hours shall be in the six months preceding the
pre-entry flight test.
ii. Completed at least 10 hours instrument flight
instruction in aeroplanes of which not more
than 5 hours may be instrument ground time
in a FNPT or a flight simulator.
iii. Completed at least 20 hours of cross-country
flight as PIC of aeroplanes, including a
cross-country flight of at least 540km (300 nm)
in the course of which full-stop landings at two
aerodromes different from the aerodromes of
departure shall be made.
iv. Pass a specific pre-entry flight test with a FI
qualified as per JAR-FCL 1.330(f) based upon
the proficiency check as per JAR-FCL
1.240(b), within the six months preceding
the start of the course. *
*The pre-entry flight test will assess the ability of the
applicant to undertake the course.
requirements
Before commencing an approved Flight Instructors
Course (FIC) an applicant must satisfy the course
pre-entry requirements as per JAR-FCL 1.335: -
a. Hold either a valid UK CAA or JAR-FCL
aeroplane pilots licence, which includes a valid
Single Engine Piston (Land) Class or single pilot,
Single Engine Type Rating.
b. Meet the knowledge requirements for the grant of
a JAR-FCL Commercial Pilot Licence
(Aeroplanes) as per Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL
1.470.
c. Have at least a CPL(A) or completed at least 200
hours of flight time of which 150 hours as
Pilot-in-Command if holding a PPL(A).
i. Completed at least 30 hours on single engine
piston powered aeroplanes of which at least 5
hours shall be in the six months preceding the
pre-entry flight test.
ii. Completed at least 10 hours instrument flight
instruction in aeroplanes of which not more
than 5 hours may be instrument ground time
in a FNPT or a flight simulator.
iii. Completed at least 20 hours of cross-country
flight as PIC of aeroplanes, including a
cross-country flight of at least 540km (300 nm)
in the course of which full-stop landings at two
aerodromes different from the aerodromes of
departure shall be made.
iv. Pass a specific pre-entry flight test with a FI
qualified as per JAR-FCL 1.330(f) based upon
the proficiency check as per JAR-FCL
1.240(b), within the six months preceding
the start of the course. *
*The pre-entry flight test will assess the ability of the
applicant to undertake the course.
Last edited by Nearly There; 3rd Jun 2009 at 18:40. Reason: Incorrect info.
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the CFI added it on the ratings page of the licence.
Only Gatwick can add ratings. The only page which can be written on apart from signatures is the Certificate of revalidation.
If your CFI has added anything to pages 1 to 4 your license is invalid.
This issue with Intergrated train pilots has come up in many flying schools and unless you got an examiner to sign you off for SEP during one of your course checks you have to sit a SEP LST then send off to Gatwick with some cash to get it added to your License.
I have had this discussion with some right cocky prats. Who informed me that because they were integrated trained thier MEP covered them for SEP as well. They didn't get to fly the school machines and the one that did come back after finding out that he did need the test, spectacularly failed it the first time. Mainly because he thought he wouldn't need any brush up training. Cost him in the order of 1200 quid to get the SEP rating added. 2 Tests and 7 hours flying and the fee for getting it added.
If you have been flying with your CFI added rating good luck when you contact the CAA because it is completely illegal.
And I am utterly gob smacked that there are Instructors out there that think that this can be done.
And for the FI course you do need a valid SEP rating on your License before the course starts. Also if you were intergrated trained you don't require the 200 hours. Off the top of my head its 170 hours. All the FI stuff they are quite anal about, even for renewals they insist that you have a valid SEP rating before sitting the FI skills test.
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If you have been flying with your CFI added rating good luck when you contact the CAA because it is completely illegal.
And I am utterly gob smacked that there are Instructors out there that think that this can be done.
And I am utterly gob smacked that there are Instructors out there that think that this can be done.
The snippet of info I found in Lasors backs this up as being correct and legal, hopefully!
Endorsement of a Certificate of Test,
Certificate of Experience or Certificate of
Re-validation
When a rating has been revalidated/renewed, an entry
will need to be endorsed within the Certificate of Test/
Experience or Revalidation page within the UK licence
as detailed below:-
For UK national licence holders
For UK national ratings within a UK issued licence, a
UK Authorised Examiner only can sign the certificate.
For JAR-FCL ratings within a UK national licence, a UK
JAR Authorised Examiner only can sign the certificate.
Certificate of Experience or Certificate of
Re-validation
When a rating has been revalidated/renewed, an entry
will need to be endorsed within the Certificate of Test/
Experience or Revalidation page within the UK licence
as detailed below:-
For UK national licence holders
For UK national ratings within a UK issued licence, a
UK Authorised Examiner only can sign the certificate.
For JAR-FCL ratings within a UK national licence, a UK
JAR Authorised Examiner only can sign the certificate.
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Now that is slightly different if you already had it on a PPL.
Look on page 4 of your CPL under Ratings to be revalidated and check if SEP (land) is listed. If it is your in the clear. FCL presume that you will take the old Cert of Revalidation to your CPL from the PPL. Although looking at my old CP page which I transferred over into my ATPL mine was re-issued with the SEP included when I got my CPL issued.
All the examiner has done is renewed your SEP based on experience (I always forget which way round it is with revalidation and renew)
Whenever you get a new License issued always check that page 4. They have a habit of stealing ratings off you and on the odd occasion even adding them.
Look on page 4 of your CPL under Ratings to be revalidated and check if SEP (land) is listed. If it is your in the clear. FCL presume that you will take the old Cert of Revalidation to your CPL from the PPL. Although looking at my old CP page which I transferred over into my ATPL mine was re-issued with the SEP included when I got my CPL issued.
All the examiner has done is renewed your SEP based on experience (I always forget which way round it is with revalidation and renew)
Whenever you get a new License issued always check that page 4. They have a habit of stealing ratings off you and on the odd occasion even adding them.
