Professional Flight Training/ GBODX

[Robthestudent]

I am disappointed to learn that PFT have wrecked what was the best duchess at Bournemouth in a wheels up landing last thursday!!!!! maybe PFT should drop the 'Professional' from their name

[biaeghh]

Nearly There,

Please check your facts, the emergency services were called after the plane connected with the tarmac, the crew did not put out any call that suggested there was a problem with the undercarriage, and if you look at the photograph it looks very flat.My guess is the gear warning horn cb was pulled during flight.

[biaeghh]

Nearly There,

I assume you have checked your facts then!!!

[BoeingMEL]

Oh dear Robthestudent...

You claim that the Duchess was wrecked...er almost certainly wrong!

You imply pilot-error and you couldn't be more wrong - this was textbook management of a MECHANICAL problem!

You state/imply that a company should delete the word "professional" from their trading-name...jeez, there appears to be no end to your "wisdom"

This old-timer sure hopes that if (heaven-forbid!) you eventually find yourself strapped into the LHS with 190 bucket and spade carriers behind you, your judgment process will have matured.

Oh sorry, just remembered that you're a playstation pilot!

[Linda Mollison]

Everyone should get their facts straight.

Professional AIR Training had an undercarriage problem a couple of weeks ago which caused the main gear on one side to get stuck up. Dean Dashwood, our instructor, handled the situation perfectly and landed with very little damage to the aircraft. We now call him Chesley Dashwood.

Professional FLIGHT Training (a different school) had a wheels up landing last week. I do not know the cause but it appears that, if there was a problem with the undercarriage, the crew were not aware of it - there was no call to emergency services before the landing.

Linda Mollison

[Robthestudent]

Boeing MEL,

I presume you are talking about the incident involving PAT a few weeks ago, and you are absolutely right the instructor did a fantastic job in landing the aircraft in very extreme circumstances, and yes I would agree with Mrs Mollison that his efforts are up there with the likes of Chesley Sullenberger.
However last week's incident is entirely different and I would suggest to you was an accident,


Rob

ps I did not know you could get aircraft sim on playstation, what is it called?

[maxdrypower]

I see two sides to the ere fence , those for and those against , can we come out and show our flags guys.
No one has yet come on here as in the PAT incident and stated that they were involved and what happened , therefore no one knows do they.
Therefore BIAEGHH your assumption that the gear warning horn CB was pulled may or may not be right , but even if it had , gear checked down three greens and then reds blues greens on final no warning hiorn should not have made any difference (if that was the case) it is an equally valid assupmtion to make that neither crew member checked the gear was down and locked , correct???The assumption that the aircaft was wrecked is also valid , a wheels up landing would not only damage the airfarme but may also have wrecked the props and shock loaded both engines , I think we would all agree that that may define "wrecked ".Boeing MEL you seem very sure do you know the gen ???? If it was an undercarriage problem of which the crew were aware and no notificatuon was given to the tower , by way of a pan or other , then it wasnt really text book management.
The one thing that can be said is if the crew were aware of a gear problem then the emergency services would almost certainly have been there , but they werent ??????.
You could also blame air traffic who could have seen the gear was not down and instructed a go around , it used to be a check on mititary airfields that the tower did exactly that .
So although no one likes assuming as we all know what that makes of us , people will speculate on forums thus . There is no point in cat fighting and slagging each other off just because one opinion does not match yours , unles of course they are total bollocks , to which none of the opinions on here really are .
But hey every string needs a devils advocate .

[Nearly There]

Nearly There,

I assume you have checked your facts then

Biaeghh, your quick!! I posted, realised 30 seconds later I had been looking/reading about the 1st incident, and deleted my post.

[slowclimber]

You could also blame air traffic who could have seen the gear was not down and instructed a go around , it used to be a check on mititary airfields that the tower did exactly that .

ATC are not responsible for checking whether the landing gear is down on final approach. Yes, it is perfectly possible for a controller to see whether the gear is down or not, but not always on a small aircraft like a Duchess, not always without binoculars, and not always if the controller is occupied with a number of other aircraft in or joining the circuit! Controllers often do spot things such as towbars attached to nosewheels, leaks from fuel tanks, taxying aircraft dragging tiedown weights behind them, and yes, forgotten landing gear - but these invariably result from a 'that doesn't look quite right' glance rather than a detailed inspection of every single aircraft through binoculars.

Given that there were three people in the aircraft who could have seen an incorrect gear indication, blaming ATC for not seeing the gear problem is a bit of a low blow. On military airfields, I believe that the visual check of landing aircraft was done from a dedicated 'caravan' positioned near to the runway threshold, not from the tower.

[GIZZAJOB]

Nobody blamed ATC S.C the post was trying to stop people from aportioning blame , you have highlighted a portion from the thread , read again the first word "COULD" not should it was almost a rhetorical statement , the author was not saying ATC were to blame just that if people wanna go slinging mud you could compile a long list and publish that , it doesnt necessarily make it so

[maxdrypower]

Thank you glad someone realised