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Orlando Flight Training - Joke!

Old 5th Apr 2009, 17:23
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Orlando Flight Training - Joke!

And they are still telling me I can get my PPL done in 4 weeks.......

15 PA-28's
9 Grounded
6 Flying and Fully Booked.......

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Old 5th Apr 2009, 17:27
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I have been debating about going there for hour building but I have been warned about them being messers.

Your experience is another bullet point for my "against" column!

Back to the drawing board.
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Old 5th Apr 2009, 17:40
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Its a Mickey Mouse place over in Orlando, quite literally!
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Old 5th Apr 2009, 17:41
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I have been debating about going there for hour building
If its only hour building you are after, look at palm beach flight training.. found them to be pretty good and reliable with decent equipment. Have also heard plenty about Aussie Air - even though have not used them myself, friends have and have all said rates are very cheap.
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Old 5th Apr 2009, 17:49
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Old 5th Apr 2009, 19:33
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Its a Mickey Mouse place over in Orlando, quite literally!
From my experiences with NAC.. they are just as useless, if not worse! It seems Mickeys influence is not contained to Orlando only.
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Old 5th Apr 2009, 19:57
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Wish they were Mickey Mouse - that lill guy *really* knows how to run a company.
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Old 5th Apr 2009, 22:25
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I hear alot of good stuff about EAA-fly.com maybe some one can tell me more good or bad dont matter just it is the truth
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Isn't it a case of damage limitation now that (I assume) your in the states.

What about doing loads of your hours at night? or come in at say 06.00 in the morning?
I do hope you haven't paid up front.
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 12:19
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No No Aussie

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Never Ever Go to aussie Air, they have only 25 students from Spain which they paid them in full of 100,000 for 0 to ATP license, 15 hours of Learjet and and Airbus 320 type rating!!!!!! they 've been punked and they are staying over and cant do nothin because if they did anything they will lose their money and wont have even a PPL from these 100 grand.
Aussie air does have any visa authorities they were doing illegal pilot training for international students ...so give them time the end is near for these
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 17:34
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Thumbs up OFT aircraft on line

Guys, thought I would check on the OFT position before moving further. They advise that they have 40 aircraft on line and that it was a paperwork glitch that grounded the PA28s. Red faces but all aircraft now flying.
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 18:02
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Never Ever Go to aussie Air
Well in that case avoid aussie air. As I said in my previous post, I have not had any experiences with them, just that I heard they had good rates. However if they are a cowboy outfit, and messing people about, then by all means, just like NAC.. avoid them!

But disregarding them from a training perspective maybe as far as just renting a plane goes, could aussie not be a cheap option? That I dont know.

However I do speak from experience regarding palm beach flight training, and they were very pleasant to deal with and rent from.
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 21:04
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No Joke !

Why are OFT still allowed deliberately misleading advertising on PPRuNe?
e.g. OFT say JAA PPL £4595 but click through and you find the real price is actually $8525 which is over £1000 more !
Is this a case of money talks with moderators on the payroll?
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 21:50
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I'm close to finishing an FAA PPL with this outfit. I have a bunch of spare time right now so I might as well write a review, but firstly:

Originally Posted by Owlperson
Guys, thought I would check on the OFT position before moving further. They advise that they have 40 aircraft on line and that it was a paperwork glitch that grounded the PA28s. Red faces but all aircraft now flying.
Thatís correct- however, before the paperwork glitch, 5 out of 12 Cadets were grounded- engine fire, broken window, blown cylinder, 2 x 100 hour inspections...

Instructors- luck of the draw, like anywhere you go, but mostly pretty good. Mine was excellent, goal-focused and not hour-grabbing. IMO this is the most important factor.

Aircraft- words fail me. Deflated oleos, leaking fuel primers, undercharged batteries, bald tyres, stuck control columns (!!), misreading instruments, wonky radios, stuck dipsticks, overly loose fuel tank caps, mysterious "clonks" from the flaps, the occasional blown cylinder, missing / discharged fire extinguishers, et cetera. My own personal experience is with the Piper Cadet / Warrior but I've heard that the Cessnas / Seminoles / Dutchesses / Arrows are in the same state. More than half my flights have been impeded in some way (delayed or cancelled) because of problems with aircraft serviceability.

I don't think that the Cadet itself isn't a bad aircraft, or indeed particularly failure-prone; it's just caught in a perfect storm of substandard commercially pressured maintenance ("get those aircraft flying")- the engineers are a bunch of cowboys, watching one taxi a Cadet (jamming on the brakes at the last second) and run it up (to full power, from cold) made me wince in sympathy for the poor aircraft- and instructors and students, especially hour-builders, mistreating the aircraft.

Accomodation: The Baymont Inn, where they stick you at first, is an upmarket motel and actually pretty sweet, decent pool etc. Tons of eating establishments in and around Kissimmee. If you request more permanent accommodation, however, you either get moved into "Kissimmee Pines" or "Venetian Bay". I'm in the Pines, and it's a question of luck. Some are relatively OK (like mine), some are virtually uninhabitable (next door). I hear that Venetian Bay is substantially better. In either case, itís not particularly good value, but itís better than the Super 8, and a level of camaraderie is achieved with fellow residents (and cockroaches). It is, however, pretty close the the airport and the centre of town, which is a bonus because I just have a pedal bike.

Airport: KISM has a control tower (with separate ground freq) and AWOS (AirNav: KISM - Kissimmee Gateway Airport). There are a few warbirds (a Mustang and occasionally a second one, a Wildcat, two T6 Texans (Harvards if youíre a Brit) and a smashing B-25 Mitchell!) and quite a few jet operations, as well as normal private stuff and two flight schools (OFT and SunState). It gets pretty busy around lunchtime but it really isnít bad unless youíre trying to do full-stop circuits.

Town: Kissimmee is a nowhere town, everybody is on the way to somewhere else and the people that live there are kind of trashy. There are tons of places to eat, a good model shop, the usual cinemas, Disney if that floats your boat and other touristy things to do.

Everything else: The ops girls are friendly enough. The admin people are nice but they want your money pretty bad, I think the word is "slimy". The operations building is fine, if a bit full at the top of the hour, but the ramp leaves much to be desired- there are two sections, Cessnas and everything else, and Cadets. The Cadet ramp is about the size of a ping pong table and 12 are parked there. Extreme caution is imperative when taxiing out unless you want to be "that guy" who broke the strobe light off on the propeller- clearance is not much more than a foot per wingtip. Access from the building to the ramp is via 70 yards of dead grass and a ditch. The chief pilot is not a particularly pleasant person.

Conclusion: If youíve already forked out for a course, go and make the most of it, and be like your mom when you were small and demand to see the manager at the first sign of dissatisfaction. OFT target themselves at hapless foreigners with poor English skills whom they can milk hundreds of hours from- if you are not in that category you should be treated better. If you cancel, you will be slapped with thousands of dollars in spurious cancellation fees, and theyíve got you by the balls because they have your money- you will never get all of it back. Pay in $1000 increments if you can (also, remember that they might go bust at any point).

If youíre still deciding, take your money to Naples or SunState, or, indeed, anywhere else!
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 22:23
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Man C Flyer

Is it Man C Flyer, Albion Mct, Alan Mtc or is it just good old Alan Mct******
Anyway Alan, I just wondered why if you had problems with booking an aircraft you didn't say anything to me earlier, especially when we were discussing your wind limitations today.
And by the way, you really should tell the truth and let everyone on PPRuNe know that you already hold a PPL and that you have just finished ATPL groundschool.
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 23:16
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Exposed !!!!
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 23:24
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well arent i glad i got told about this in the early stages. not too sure where you get your information andrew, but with all due respect (not that you gave me any respect in that last post) your talking bull. i would appreciate it if you called me to speak about this. i will PM you my number. not the sort of thing i need from the chief pilot of my school right in the middle of atpl exam week is it.
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 23:27
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and by the way my name is Alan McIntosh....
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Old 7th Apr 2009, 23:47
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Not sure what all the fuss is about. Its a bit of a lottery with instructors i admit but i never had any problem with OFT for my PPL.
I had a couple of issues, i went to Andrew's office and spoke to him face to face, he went out of his way to resolve my problems.
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Old 10th Apr 2009, 01:24
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I too have had no problems with Orlando Flight Training and today passed my Private Pilot checkride. It took a few more hours than I might have liked but I have the licence now and that's all that matters.

As for the situation with maintenance, if an hour-building student is going to take an aircraft out for 14 hours a day (8.00am to 10.00pm), the 100-hour inspections are going to come around pretty quickly (almost weekly)!
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