Downing Street Petition for trainee pilots
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lol Clear prop - you know what I meant.
SefonSA, I did my best to put my point across without writing a thesis on the implications of getting this government involved in today's modern PC climate.
I know exactly where you are coming from and your intentions and the means to an end are admirable - but highly dangerous. So lets get some examples.
You are in a flight training school of 50 cadets. 40 of which are white, male with working/middle class whose parents still had to remortgage their house, spend life savings etc for you to get on the course. - with your petiton, these cadets will get VAT cuts and everything else you ask for.
The other 10 are made up of some females (white and other ethnicity), some from mixed backgrounds in terms, not just in terms of ethnicity, but also in terms of social backgrounds as well. Naturally they also worked hard to realise their dream of starting flight training- so savings etc, parents also would have remortgaged their houses etc. They will also get benefits in terms of VAT cuts and everything else you asked for in the petition.
So everyone is equal so far. Doesn't matter where you came from, what sex, what your background is, all 50 cadets saved X amount of money and are now getting the relevant tax cuts you asked for in your petition.
Now, you all pass, every one has the same qualifications and previous educational experience. You all go for the pilot interview with 10 places up for grabs. Now imagine the best 10 out of the 50 were white males? Do you seriously think they would get the places? With PUBLIC money being spent, quotas must be met because the workforce will need to be a reflection of the PUBLIC who gave us that money. Therefore, merits are thrown out of the window - just like in ANY organisation in britain.
Sure you could argue that the Chief pilot, head of recruitment etc will never allow this to happen - yeah right. they will be FORCED to follow government quotas because everyone benefited form the public purse. The recruitment team are not as powerful as you think!
Becasue all 50 benefited form the public purse, quotas have to be met to show that there was no discrimination at the interview. And remember, the airline pilot interview will be under the most spotlight.
This is not me making this stuff up. This is present in EVERY institution. The airline industry is not special.
Your intentions are admirable, but with the worst possible results. Don't take my word for it. Look around you.
SefonSA, I did my best to put my point across without writing a thesis on the implications of getting this government involved in today's modern PC climate.
I know exactly where you are coming from and your intentions and the means to an end are admirable - but highly dangerous. So lets get some examples.
You are in a flight training school of 50 cadets. 40 of which are white, male with working/middle class whose parents still had to remortgage their house, spend life savings etc for you to get on the course. - with your petiton, these cadets will get VAT cuts and everything else you ask for.
The other 10 are made up of some females (white and other ethnicity), some from mixed backgrounds in terms, not just in terms of ethnicity, but also in terms of social backgrounds as well. Naturally they also worked hard to realise their dream of starting flight training- so savings etc, parents also would have remortgaged their houses etc. They will also get benefits in terms of VAT cuts and everything else you asked for in the petition.
So everyone is equal so far. Doesn't matter where you came from, what sex, what your background is, all 50 cadets saved X amount of money and are now getting the relevant tax cuts you asked for in your petition.
Now, you all pass, every one has the same qualifications and previous educational experience. You all go for the pilot interview with 10 places up for grabs. Now imagine the best 10 out of the 50 were white males? Do you seriously think they would get the places? With PUBLIC money being spent, quotas must be met because the workforce will need to be a reflection of the PUBLIC who gave us that money. Therefore, merits are thrown out of the window - just like in ANY organisation in britain.
Sure you could argue that the Chief pilot, head of recruitment etc will never allow this to happen - yeah right. they will be FORCED to follow government quotas because everyone benefited form the public purse. The recruitment team are not as powerful as you think!
Becasue all 50 benefited form the public purse, quotas have to be met to show that there was no discrimination at the interview. And remember, the airline pilot interview will be under the most spotlight.
This is not me making this stuff up. This is present in EVERY institution. The airline industry is not special.
Your intentions are admirable, but with the worst possible results. Don't take my word for it. Look around you.
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HM001 - I'll take that as a tongue-in-cheek comment used to illustrate some kind of point.
Being half malay, half english, I doubt the'll have me.
Being half malay, half english, I doubt the'll have me.
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They have half Turkish-Cypriot half English members so they may take you.
Eitherway some of your comments worry me slightly.
The petitions original intention was simply to give all of us a fighting chance when it came to the high costs of persuing this vocation, you have tried to illustrate that what will happen is something ridiculous involving minorities 1st which I find offensive.
Your comments make me believe that if you were a captain with a (insert minority here) in the right seat, your 1st thought would probably be that they were given the job due to some government pressure on the company as opposed to ability and actually being good during an interview.
They have half Turkish-Cypriot half English members so they may take you.
Eitherway some of your comments worry me slightly.
The petitions original intention was simply to give all of us a fighting chance when it came to the high costs of persuing this vocation, you have tried to illustrate that what will happen is something ridiculous involving minorities 1st which I find offensive.
Your comments make me believe that if you were a captain with a (insert minority here) in the right seat, your 1st thought would probably be that they were given the job due to some government pressure on the company as opposed to ability and actually being good during an interview.
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HM001,
I did not mean to cause offence and apologise to any that may have thought so.
I was just trying to outline the fact that if the public purse is used to give tax benefits to anyone, regardless of sex, background, class or ethnicity, then in this modern era, the people that ultimately make up the workforce upon completion of training must be a reflection of the public spectrum that gave the funds.
I am mixed race and female. If I was up against a group of middle class males who were much better than me at the interview and test, do you seriously think that in any institution they would still get the jobs and I wouldn't - if we all benefited from the public purse? I reckon I'd be there on default. Happens everywhere.
I was merely playing devils advocate.
Please understand that I am merely expressing my own humble opinion and apologise if my comments have been taken out of context.
It was not my intention.
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I did not mean to cause offence and apologise to any that may have thought so.
I was just trying to outline the fact that if the public purse is used to give tax benefits to anyone, regardless of sex, background, class or ethnicity, then in this modern era, the people that ultimately make up the workforce upon completion of training must be a reflection of the public spectrum that gave the funds.
I am mixed race and female. If I was up against a group of middle class males who were much better than me at the interview and test, do you seriously think that in any institution they would still get the jobs and I wouldn't - if we all benefited from the public purse? I reckon I'd be there on default. Happens everywhere.
I was merely playing devils advocate.
Please understand that I am merely expressing my own humble opinion and apologise if my comments have been taken out of context.
It was not my intention.
friends HM001?
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Student Pilot Petition
Hello. I appreciate the support and discussion regarding the petition... update coming soon at website below.
Craig Baker
Pilot-Career.co.uk
Craig Baker
Pilot-Career.co.uk
