Mod Vs Integrated - A different Question
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From: Polymer Records
OK, lets really go off road;
Take a look here
Wasn't it called a Self Sponsored Pilot (SSP) scheme and, if so, where is the "Self"?
Change in policy or cock up?
I notice John Monks is no longer in charge of recruitment at BA according to PPJN (the source of all 100% factually correct info 
) and it is now Dave Burrows.
Maybe Mr Burrows trained modular so we could see a change in policy if/when BA reopen their doors?
) and it is now Dave Burrows. Maybe Mr Burrows trained modular so we could see a change in policy if/when BA reopen their doors?
Wasn't it called a Self Sponsored Pilot (SSP) scheme and, if so, where is the "Self"?
Change in policy or cock up?
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From: UK
Answer to the Q
hello skyhigh,
the answer to yr Q is Historical training record.
the ONLY reason BA dont take mod students is because in the 90's they took on a group of 'self improvers' aka mod students. They failed their training - didnt reach BAs standards; and cost BA alot of money.
hence they dont want to make same mistake again.
As to why these mod studes failed is an entirely different debate.
the answer to yr Q is Historical training record.
the ONLY reason BA dont take mod students is because in the 90's they took on a group of 'self improvers' aka mod students. They failed their training - didnt reach BAs standards; and cost BA alot of money.
hence they dont want to make same mistake again.
As to why these mod studes failed is an entirely different debate.
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Fabbe92 you might not of noticed but most of the posters on this thread are a bit passed the choosing how to get trained stage.
Keygrip models hawaiian shirts in Florida and has a part time job as a flight examiner and beer quality control expert.
And GSXTY and myself were both wannabies going through training when 9/11 kicked off.
From having a look at the huge pile of CV's that I presume are replicated in every ops room in the UK the biggest obvious difference between intergrated and modular are the CV's.
The Intergrated ones mostly look the same, all are set out nicely and are easy to read, have the correct information in the order that you would want it and are boring. Usually because the person is straight out of school or Uni and have done nothing with thier life.
The modular CV's are mostly ill thought out have no structure to them or use gimmicks which alot of people would feel inappropriate to the job they are applying for. I still have a mug with some Police Sgt's CV printed on the side of it. I haven't seen any of his stuff for a couple of years now, I hope he has a job. And if he is reading this I do know quite a few line pilots who hassled the boss to try and get you an interview.
The ones that stand out for me are the ones which the person has done something. The format is nearly the same as the integrated standard CV but different. The person has done something different ie at Uni the were in the TA or had done VSO, scuba diving instructor, played a sport to an international level. Or if they arn't a Uni person they ran there own business had interesting hobbies etc. IT waffle bollocks about helpdesks and all that crap is so seethru its unbelievable so don't be tempted.
It can be something really stupid like the person used to be a roofer. One lad I have heard of went for the interview and got told if he could stop the water pissing in the hangar roof he could start the type rating Monday.
As you can see its not your training as such its more the way you sell yourself that makes the difference.
Keygrip models hawaiian shirts in Florida and has a part time job as a flight examiner and beer quality control expert.
And GSXTY and myself were both wannabies going through training when 9/11 kicked off.
From having a look at the huge pile of CV's that I presume are replicated in every ops room in the UK the biggest obvious difference between intergrated and modular are the CV's.
The Intergrated ones mostly look the same, all are set out nicely and are easy to read, have the correct information in the order that you would want it and are boring. Usually because the person is straight out of school or Uni and have done nothing with thier life.
The modular CV's are mostly ill thought out have no structure to them or use gimmicks which alot of people would feel inappropriate to the job they are applying for. I still have a mug with some Police Sgt's CV printed on the side of it. I haven't seen any of his stuff for a couple of years now, I hope he has a job. And if he is reading this I do know quite a few line pilots who hassled the boss to try and get you an interview.
The ones that stand out for me are the ones which the person has done something. The format is nearly the same as the integrated standard CV but different. The person has done something different ie at Uni the were in the TA or had done VSO, scuba diving instructor, played a sport to an international level. Or if they arn't a Uni person they ran there own business had interesting hobbies etc. IT waffle bollocks about helpdesks and all that crap is so seethru its unbelievable so don't be tempted.
It can be something really stupid like the person used to be a roofer. One lad I have heard of went for the interview and got told if he could stop the water pissing in the hangar roof he could start the type rating Monday.
As you can see its not your training as such its more the way you sell yourself that makes the difference.
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From: UK.
The RYR MCC allows you to work with their SOPs while your doing the training, I believe Relavant737 (sorry forgot his username) had done it or knew someone that done it from previous posts. You don't need to do a SIM check as well I believe (again someone would be better confirming this)
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Admitedly yes it does but 737 MCC's will use similar SOP's.
I certainly did not find any differences with the Ryanair SOP's bar speeds and one or two calls. I couldn't justify the extra £2000 just for SOP's.
Nick
I believe that system is no longer in place. All cadets must now do a sim and interview no matter where they trained.
I certainly did not find any differences with the Ryanair SOP's bar speeds and one or two calls. I couldn't justify the extra £2000 just for SOP's.
Nick
I believe that system is no longer in place. All cadets must now do a sim and interview no matter where they trained.
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From: earth
No the Ryanair SOP's are spoke with a Irish Accent. or so I am told, that said most of the Ryanair calls I hear over southern Europe are Eastern European.
Fabbe, I never thought I would say this to you, well done and good luck. By doing the Ryanair MCC you might well get the chance to fly for them, and if you want to know the B738 is a great airplane to fly, I fly it a lot, but prefer the 734, although it is a bit slower and basic, it is a lot more stable.
Enjoy
FC
Fabbe, I never thought I would say this to you, well done and good luck. By doing the Ryanair MCC you might well get the chance to fly for them, and if you want to know the B738 is a great airplane to fly, I fly it a lot, but prefer the 734, although it is a bit slower and basic, it is a lot more stable.
Enjoy
FC
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Maybe we are a little of topic here hehe. I have never flewn a real jet and I am not a pilot but in the flighstim and as style, I like the 733/4/5 more than the 737NG.
I know that these pretty much dissapearing and I would never Tye Rate on one since this would not give me many job oppurtunities. But for you pilot guys that have flewn both types. If we said that both the classic and NG where both highly used by the airlines, which one would you reccomend type rating on, I would go for the clasic one since I like to fly her as a passenger and I like to fly her in the sim. But I have never experienced how she is IRL
I know that these pretty much dissapearing and I would never Tye Rate on one since this would not give me many job oppurtunities. But for you pilot guys that have flewn both types. If we said that both the classic and NG where both highly used by the airlines, which one would you reccomend type rating on, I would go for the clasic one since I like to fly her as a passenger and I like to fly her in the sim. But I have never experienced how she is IRL
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Fabbe mate, in JAA land (or soon to be EASA land) the B737 type rating is as follows,
B737-300/900 this means toy can fly classic up to and including BBJ2's or 900's. I fly on a regular basis the 400 and 800. Its the same rating with differences.
B737-300/900 this means toy can fly classic up to and including BBJ2's or 900's. I fly on a regular basis the 400 and 800. Its the same rating with differences.
