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Hi Guys,
Just returned to the UK today after being away for a month due to personnal reasons.
And my licence needed revalidating on the 21st Dec 08, but i could not get back it time to do it.
I have flown since June 08 to 10 Dec 08 approx 80 hrs plus completed a night qualification in Nov, so i have plenty of current hours.
Will the CAA be ok about this, if i go there and ask for my licence to be revalidated or will they expect me to a skills test again
Anyone been in this situation before and what was the outcome.
Cheers Guy & Girls
Just returned to the UK today after being away for a month due to personnal reasons.
And my licence needed revalidating on the 21st Dec 08, but i could not get back it time to do it.
I have flown since June 08 to 10 Dec 08 approx 80 hrs plus completed a night qualification in Nov, so i have plenty of current hours.
Will the CAA be ok about this, if i go there and ask for my licence to be revalidated or will they expect me to a skills test again
Anyone been in this situation before and what was the outcome.
Cheers Guy & Girls
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Danny
I let my SEP rating lapse by 1 day a few years ago. Unfortunately, like me you will have to revalidate by flight test. The good news is that it's a shortened version of your PPL GST.
"Typically" consisting of a small nav trip, general handing including stalls, PFL, steep turns, spiral dive recovery etc. Then back for 3 circuits, again, typically a "normal, flaples & glide.
That's it.
I let my SEP rating lapse by 1 day a few years ago. Unfortunately, like me you will have to revalidate by flight test. The good news is that it's a shortened version of your PPL GST.
"Typically" consisting of a small nav trip, general handing including stalls, PFL, steep turns, spiral dive recovery etc. Then back for 3 circuits, again, typically a "normal, flaples & glide.
That's it.
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Deano,
Thats what i thought,
. how about the following, i am due to start CPL next week.
Not sure but, can i start the CPL without the revalidation, as all my CPL training is going to be DUAL?
Any thoughts???????
Thats what i thought,
. how about the following, i am due to start CPL next week. Not sure but, can i start the CPL without the revalidation, as all my CPL training is going to be DUAL?
Any thoughts???????
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If it's just the rating:
It doesn't necessarily have to be current for the course, but should be for the skills test, as you will be in the "scenario" of operating a single pilot commercial operation so must be current for the test.
As an upcoming Commercial pilot start to get in the habit of researching regulations on your own - good start would be LASORS / JAR FCL 1 / Stds Document 3.
It doesn't necessarily have to be current for the course, but should be for the skills test, as you will be in the "scenario" of operating a single pilot commercial operation so must be current for the test.
As an upcoming Commercial pilot start to get in the habit of researching regulations on your own - good start would be LASORS / JAR FCL 1 / Stds Document 3.
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I think you may be OK. The course entry requirements (I'm assuming modular) state "...a holder of a PPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO Annex I...", there is nothing about currency or validity. AFAIK, the only course that has a 'recency' requirement is the FI course (5 hours in the last 6 months?).
Oh, and I agree with the above. Traditionally professional pilots go to the source documents before launching into Proone.
Oh, and I agree with the above. Traditionally professional pilots go to the source documents before launching into Proone.
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This would have been the score, had you revalidated the rating before it's expiry:
Revalidation by flying experience
A SEP (Land) and/or TMG class rating can be revalidated by flying experience by producing logbook evidence to an appropriately authorised JAR-FCL Examiner, before the rating expiry date has passed, of the following flying experience completed within the 12 months preceding the rating expiry date.
Unfortunately, as the rating HAS expired you will be required to RENEW the rating and not revalidate it, as follows:
RENEWAL OF SINGLE-ENGINE PISTON – SEP (LAND), TMG CLASS RATINGS
Where licence holders have been unable to renew a SEP (Land) or TMG Class Rating for a period not exceeding 5 years from the date of expiry, they will be required to complete the following requirements:
i. The CAA will require no mandatory additional training. Applicants should complete training at their own discretion sufficient to pass the Skill Test.
ii. Complete the Skill Test in accordance with Appendices 1 & 3 to JAR-FCL 1.240 with a JAR Authorised Examiner. For renewal of an instrument
rating if held, please refer to Section E1.5.
iii. Pass an oral theoretical knowledge examination conducted by the Examiner as part of the skill test.
iv. A UK Authorised Examiner can sign the Certificate of Revalidation page (FCL150CJAR) within a UK national pilot’s licence. An Examiner qualified in
accordance with JAR-FCL (in any fully compliant JAA Member State) can sign a Certificate of Revalidation page within a JAR-FCL licence. The LST/LPC form, completed as a renewal, should be sent to CAA PLD.
v. The CAA will charge no fee provided that the Examiner signs the Certificate of Revalidation.
It all may seem a bit harsh, considering you're less than a month outside the rating expiry date but they're the rules unfortunately and it looks as if you're going to have to re-take the PPL Skills Test PLUS an oral theory examination.......OUCH!!
Hope it all goes OK.
Revalidation by flying experience
A SEP (Land) and/or TMG class rating can be revalidated by flying experience by producing logbook evidence to an appropriately authorised JAR-FCL Examiner, before the rating expiry date has passed, of the following flying experience completed within the 12 months preceding the rating expiry date.
Unfortunately, as the rating HAS expired you will be required to RENEW the rating and not revalidate it, as follows:
RENEWAL OF SINGLE-ENGINE PISTON – SEP (LAND), TMG CLASS RATINGS
Where licence holders have been unable to renew a SEP (Land) or TMG Class Rating for a period not exceeding 5 years from the date of expiry, they will be required to complete the following requirements:
i. The CAA will require no mandatory additional training. Applicants should complete training at their own discretion sufficient to pass the Skill Test.
ii. Complete the Skill Test in accordance with Appendices 1 & 3 to JAR-FCL 1.240 with a JAR Authorised Examiner. For renewal of an instrument
rating if held, please refer to Section E1.5.
iii. Pass an oral theoretical knowledge examination conducted by the Examiner as part of the skill test.
iv. A UK Authorised Examiner can sign the Certificate of Revalidation page (FCL150CJAR) within a UK national pilot’s licence. An Examiner qualified in
accordance with JAR-FCL (in any fully compliant JAA Member State) can sign a Certificate of Revalidation page within a JAR-FCL licence. The LST/LPC form, completed as a renewal, should be sent to CAA PLD.
v. The CAA will charge no fee provided that the Examiner signs the Certificate of Revalidation.
It all may seem a bit harsh, considering you're less than a month outside the rating expiry date but they're the rules unfortunately and it looks as if you're going to have to re-take the PPL Skills Test PLUS an oral theory examination.......OUCH!!
Hope it all goes OK.
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Danny C - and anybody else reading this - as you are aware, you could have revalidated the rating anytime after 21st September without any loss of privilege - right through to December 2010 - so no *real* sympathy coming from the authorities.
The only line of defence I could think of would be to find a person who is not only *authorised* to sign the revalidation page, but who is also *prepared* to testify on your behalf to the CAA, that they can guarantee that you had all the relevant experience requirements in time - and then plead to somebody at the CAA to be allowed to back date it.
I've known it happen before - but you could have revalidated three months ago. Why do you feel you are entitled to an exemption to a rule that everybody else has complied with - or suffered the consequences of not doing.
I don't mean that to sound nasty (if it does) - but it is your responsibility, as you know.
The only line of defence I could think of would be to find a person who is not only *authorised* to sign the revalidation page, but who is also *prepared* to testify on your behalf to the CAA, that they can guarantee that you had all the relevant experience requirements in time - and then plead to somebody at the CAA to be allowed to back date it.
I've known it happen before - but you could have revalidated three months ago. Why do you feel you are entitled to an exemption to a rule that everybody else has complied with - or suffered the consequences of not doing.
I don't mean that to sound nasty (if it does) - but it is your responsibility, as you know.
